Posts by breezy

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I just found out about this District Overseer in Quebec that got DF'd

by Quarterback in

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he sure was well known, and apparently he left his wife some time ago.

his initials were m.l.. does anyone know about this?.

breezy

I'm from montreal, actually surprised to read this. The initials don't tell me anything though

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Fade update...

by StarTrekAngel in

i have attended only one meeting in the past 3 weeks.

i know there is no way to leave this cult fast enough, but is my fade too fast?

Looks like we're both in the same exact situation. I haven't been to the hall in 2-3 weeks so decided to show my face on sunday and continue on with my fade. My service report shows like 1 hour for the past 3-4 months. No visits from the elders but im sure they're bound to come

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Cracked under pressure

by breezy in

a big problem i have always had when talking about anything related to jw teachings, is that i get aggravated and frustrated when logical black and white concepts/scriptures are not seen/interpreted in a logical way.

it really frustrates me having to hear '' oh no this does not apply here '' in every scripture that i bring to my parents attention.

starting from when i was 16 to about 20, my frustrations would lead to these anger fits.

breezy

I know better. There is no easy way out, there is no easy conversation, there is nothing good in how JWs treat anyone so much so that now we even have to worry about our own friends in the hall. Its so controlling and no active JW sees that. I'm just not gonna bother anymore. Whatever decision i make will be my own doing and i don't have to answer or give an explanation to anyone about what or how i decide to live my life.

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Cracked under pressure

by breezy in

a big problem i have always had when talking about anything related to jw teachings, is that i get aggravated and frustrated when logical black and white concepts/scriptures are not seen/interpreted in a logical way.

it really frustrates me having to hear '' oh no this does not apply here '' in every scripture that i bring to my parents attention.

starting from when i was 16 to about 20, my frustrations would lead to these anger fits.

breezy

A big problem i have always had when talking about anything related to JW teachings, is that i get aggravated and frustrated when logical black and white concepts/scriptures are not seen/interpreted in a logical way. It really frustrates me having to hear '' oh no this does not apply here '' in every scripture that i bring to my parents attention. Starting from when i was 16 to about 20, my frustrations would lead to these anger fits. They weren't tantrums, it was built up stress and frustrations of all my questions being brushed off. I'm 22 now, going on 23, and have been controlling these episodes quite well. This came with me being more mature, and being at peace with my conscience and not really listening to any opinions that someone may have about me.

Earlier this month, i read this article about '' how to have a discussion with your parents on an adult to adult perspective and not as parent-child perspective. I really took it to heart and whenever my parents would become judgmental/insulting, i would end the conversation. When i was younger, i would have probably continued the conversation in an angry tone leading to another one of those anger episodes.

Well, tonight, after almost 3 years of controlling those emotions, i cracked under pressure and had one of those anger fits. I had just finished having a discussion with my mom a couple hours ago about how everyone is accountable for themselves in the end, and how we should not judge how someone decides to live their life of what decisions they may take, including if someone decides to not attend meetings anymore. She was receptive about what i was saying. Fast forward a couple hours and she brings up shunning and disfellowshipping and she knows thats a subject i hold dear to heart because my uncle is DFed and it pains me to see how the family basically just forgot about him. She shows me 1Cor 5:11-13 and i obviously follow that scripture with Matthew 18:17 and Mark 2:13-17. The entire discussion turned into He Say/She Say and it just wasn't a healthy conversation. The discussion took a turn for the worse when i brought up that my research of 587 vs 607 still hasn't been looked at by my parents and that my questions are not being answered and i felt that i was being brushed off. The discussion got heated and i erupted like a volcano to say the least. I'm not proud of it, i feel ashamed of it and i just don't know what to do anymore. It doesn't take much to sacrifice 30 minutes to read a 3 page document answering their very own questions about 607 vs 587. They waited for my bubble to burst to finally scotch tape back my 3 page document that i ripped from how angry i was. Told them to forget about it because Armageddon would come before they decide to look at it.

My mom and grandmother visited me at work today and it was the first time meeting my co-workers and bosses. My bosses showered her with compliments of her son, and she was standing all happy and a bit teary because it obviously made her proud. Yet a discussion on religion turns all that around and im painted as the bad guy. She ends the discussion by saying that i'd rather be accepted by my worldly colleagues/boss than the organization yet she was so happy to hear what was being said about me. It just pains me to hear that. I practice unconditional love like no one else in my family and give so much, yet i'm treated like that one person who deviated from the '' truth ''.

I'm sorry for this poorly written post. I just had to vent and this is the only place i can do that

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Confronting Parents About 607 vs 587

by breezy in

just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.

i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.

" we missed you at the meeting last week.

breezy

Little update on this.

They're obviously using the 537 day as for when the jews returned and then adding 70 years to get 607. When i bring up the neo-babylonian kings and where they account for them in getting that year, they disregard it because historians say there might have been periods of time where there was no king.

So basically its just back and forth of pure nothing. We accept the fact that historians agree with 539, then when we use the neo babylonian kings reign to get to 587 ( which is taken from the bible )....... its somehow not taken in consideration because historians say there might have been periods of time with no ruler yet we don't agree with historians about 587...... My mind right now is blown

And there is nothing i can do, to make them realize what im trying to say. Its like a brick wall is blocking all logical sense.

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Confronting Parents About 607 vs 587

by breezy in

just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.

i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.

" we missed you at the meeting last week.

breezy

It's like they expect us to understand everything the first time it is mentioned and when you don't, you get hit with the glorious response " Did you even pay attention to what was being said " yet they can't explain it for themselves.

I briefly brought up the generation understanding, and i asked my mom to explain it to me, she couldn't. She just told me " i don't want to talk to you right now " Today they wanted me to the meeting because the watchtower talked about association and who you should be friends with, who you should marry. Which is ironic to me because there is a built up chemistry between myself and this new girl at work. Waiting for the day where i won't need to ask anymore questions and just leave everything behind and worry about my own future life

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Confronting Parents About 607 vs 587

by breezy in

just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.

i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.

" we missed you at the meeting last week.

breezy

Just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.

I haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months. I obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while. " We missed you at the meeting last week. Now is the time to serve Jehovah. We're in the last days, the end is so soon. " Meanwhile im just there awkwardly looking at them because there is nothing to say

So yesterday i brought up, to my parents, the whole topic of 607BCE and that i couldn't arrive to that number and that i would like them to explain to me how to get to it. My mom obviously has to question my motives behind my question because, according to her, bringing up a question that I've never asked in the past must have to do with me being influenced by friends. I love how the meetings encourage to ask questions, if there's something you don't understand, to get clarifications and then when you actually ask it, you get criticized and must have ulterior motives.

So anyways, i did my own research about the topic and then i spent 1 hour with my dad asking him to get to 607, because i obviously couldn't get to it. He still can't get to it or explain it so now he has to ask the elders or '' someone with more knowledge '' to explain it to me. And then my mom has the audacity to tell me '' why is this date so important to you " .... I felt genuinely bad for her because the organization revolves around that date to get to 1914 and 1919 and when i asked her about those two dates, she was struggling to find answer me but hey, i'm the one who's labeled as spiritually weak.

The best is when did say, all these years that you've been coming to the hall and you still dont understand... And all these years that they've been going and they can't answer my questions. Double standards

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No longer wanting to attend meetings

by breezy in

hello everyone.. first post here.

long time follower of this website, probably 4 years now.

i've known about ttatt since ive been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents.

breezy

Hey everyone! Thank you for the support. Its really nice to see people that have been in the same position as myself and the encouragement that is given to get out.

I think being able to stop a conversation that can potentially lead to an argument is what im gonna have to learn to control. I'm a very calm person but i fight for the stuff i believe in and sometimes conversations can take a turn for the worst so i will have know when to stop a conversation before it escalates and makes things worse.

Family is important to me and i want them to be happy no matter what decisions they make in life and i just want them to see feel the same way about me, whether i go to the meetings or not. Going to the meetings is not what shaped my personality. I have a big heart and i always put people's best interest before my own and i just hope they can see that me not going to the meetings anymore doesn't change anything. Just tonight my mom told me that i was dividing the family and in my head im like.... " how? someone doesn't become a bad person just because he stops going to the hall. "

Anyways, a big adjustment period is heading my way haha

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No longer wanting to attend meetings

by breezy in

hello everyone.. first post here.

long time follower of this website, probably 4 years now.

i've known about ttatt since ive been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents.

breezy

Hello everyone.

First post here

Long time follower of this website, probably 4 years now. I've known about TTATT since ive been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents. Pretty standard for someone who is still living at home.

Going to the meetings, field service, assemblies has never been in me. I have never enjoyed these things and i finally told my parents that its just no longer in me. My mom is the one that gets the most upset, my dad i feel is just sad or disappointed. He doesn't really show his feelings much. I'm just having a hard time conveying to them that its my personal decision and that i don't want to keep lying to myself and having to go to please them. Trying to find that article in the WT about everyone making their own decision to serve god/attend meetings but couldn't find it. If anyone knows what WT im talking about, please let me know which one it is, i would greatly appreciate it.

I feel like im just rambling on, first posts are kinda awkward but basically my question to those reading this is how did you tell your parents that you were no longer interested in going to meetings/not wanting to be a JW. What scriptures did you use to defend yourself. I am an unbaptized publisher so im not really concerned about shunning although i do know that my friends would probably stop talking to me based on experience of close friends leaving the truth and being avoided