Posts by seedy3

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Raymond Franz /key and gate

by Masterji in

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how many of you agree with amazing that ray franz "handed you the key" and that "his writings became the gate to ...liberty?".

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Ray was never really an influence on my deciding to leave, I was however starting to doubt the WTS about the time of the 1975 blunder. But even then I felt it was the truth, but just had a hard time understanding how if God was behind them, that they could blunder that bad. I never really read any of his works, however I have read some quotes from his book, here and there. I actually fell away when I saw the unfair way they treated people, I mean if you were a Regular Pioneer, you were almost like a saint to them. When asking for help as a "weak publisher" you were not really given much "real" help. About the only help I saw was a good talking to from the elders to get back to the meetings, and Jehovah would make things right. Well I guess that never happened, so I took matters in my own hands and made matters right on my own, by leaving this bunch of blind mice. Life is much better now. I do not have to balance God and my supporting my family. I don't have to live in fear of doing a wrong and God/WTS spanking me if I foul up. My life is much better, and much happier without the WTS telling me how I should live it.

Seedy

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Who was to blame for the blunder of 1975?

by trykkleif in

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harmageddon was supposed to occur in the fall of 1975, but nothing happened.

who should have taken the blame?

the gb?

seedy3

I agree that the WTS never said "The end would come in 1975", but the hype, and upbuilding, about the date, that they did during the years prior to the fall of 1975 was to a point that they were saying it was going to happen. I remember the district assmebly talks about it, I had wished I had a recording of some of them. But I found the next best thing, Randy has one of the talks in wave format on his sight. It is a talk being given by a District Overseer in 1967, again he does not say positivly it is going to happen, but listen to his building that date up. Listen to the enthusiasm he has about 1975. I find it more a play on words to leave the door open if they screwed it up. Here is the link.
http://www.watchtowernews.org/wav/sunutko75.html

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New Study All Over Again?

by Francois in

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i'll be moving soon to a new city about 300 miles from here.

i'm so tempted to wait, just like a spider, on the jws to come by with their current offer and get all "interested" in what they say.

then get myself a study.

seedy3

I've thought about that a few times, never thought about going quite that far, but that would be kinda cool. No one here knows me at all, the duds call on my house just like it is any other now. I've been out of it for so many years, moved 10,000 miles away from where I used to be....... hmmmmmmm interesting, but my wife would not go for it I'm sure, she hates me even posting to these boards and going to the JW chat rooms. Sigh.................... it would be soooo much fun though.

Seedy

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Guilt over Self-Pleasuring as a Dub. You?

by Lari in

i'm wondering if any of you suffered major guilt over getting yourself off while a dub.

or did you all manage to abstain until you left?

i know it was one of the main reasons i left.

seedy3

I think I started pounding my pud when I was about 12, I had heard fromt he publications how bad it was and such but I never really took it to heart. Then one District Assembly we went to really had a big deal about it. They said it cause all sorts of falicies, like bad memory and such. After the assembly I remember thinking about what they had said and how much it seemed to apply to me. I put it in my head that I had to stop this "Unhealthy" act. As much as I tried (I obstained for as muchas 6 months one time LOL) I just couldn't totally stop. Eventually, it seemed, I felt I was becoming identical to the decription that the assmebly said, IT WAS TERRIBLE!!! I wuold think about the assmebly's words and then it would almost make me want to do it more (LOL), WOW I am such a terrible person, but what the hey, I had fun doing it

seedy (sometimes I still pound it for old times sake)

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Cross or Stake, which is biblically true??

by butalbee in

can somebody please explain to me biblically where it says jesus died on a stake and not a cross?

need theological details, please.

prove your stakely beliefs...

seedy3

Hmmm Steak, now isn't that what Momma Cass died from??

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Cross or Stake, which is biblically true??

by butalbee in

can somebody please explain to me biblically where it says jesus died on a stake and not a cross?

need theological details, please.

prove your stakely beliefs...

seedy3

A couple of points that also need to be brought out.

One is the physics of dieing on a cross as opposed to a straight up stake. Now according to the bible, Jesus, was on this torture "whatever" for quite a few hours, alive and talking to his fellow condemed neighbor. A study had been done in recient times about the usage of a stake and what would happen if a condemed had been exicuted this way. It showed that he would only have been alive for a few minuites (something under a half hour) he would have suffocated in a very short time. As opposed to being nailed to a cross member, he would have survived for hours, and in some cases they say even a day or so. In the usage of a cross, he would not have actually died from suffocation, but from shock and exposure, which take much longer to kill then not being able to breath.

Another point is stricly linguistic. I have thought about this much and I know the languages of English and Ancient Greek are very dissimular, but still I do think on "our" usage of the words for pole, post and stake. Even today we tend to streach out the meaning of the words, We have Clothesline "POSTS", Telephone and Power "POLES" all can and most do have a cross memeber on them. So it seems also to reason that they as well could have used a simular reference for such an item. Granted that is stricly specualtion, but it's fun to think about LOL.

Seedy

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I was scared of apostates.....

by terafera in

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the only experience i've had with 'apostates' was when i was 7 years old.

i was visiting family across the states and we went to a district assembly.

i remember a group of people outside with signs and billboards.

seedy3

I was raised as a JW, I never remember any apostates at an assembly, maybe my parents were good at hiding them from me (LOL), But I do remember my mom and dad taking about them, the would discuss the russellites and such, and I thought "how could they turn their backs on Jehovah as they did". I never feared them at all. I was more courious of them I guess. Oh man now I am one.......... Hmmmm I guess were not so bad after all.

Seedy

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Sunken City found near Cuba?

by Nathan Natas in

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i had mentioned this in an earlier thread, but couldn't find a link to the story; do you know how that just eats at you?.

i'm not crazy!!!.

here'sthe first paragraph:.

seedy3

How true, that much is still to be found in the oceans of the world. I was watching a program a few months back, it was interestng to note that at one time the Mediterranean sea, many thousands of years ago was actually dry, it was as it seemed a vast desert. and too the Black and Caspian sea were much smaller then they are now, and they have even found evidence of settlements in the one of the last two seas (I forget which one it was), giving rise to the question of the biblical flood, that perhaps this is the flood that happened, not really global to us but was to them. Who knows but, someday maybe Atlantis will be found.

Seedy

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The Un-born

by seedy3 in

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i have a question.

according to the beliefs of the jw's do the unborn babies take part in the resurection after the "great day"??

i need to have some reference in the wt literature.

seedy3

Thanks soo much sleepy, I took that and pasted it in a word document, that will help me much. I sort of figured that could not have been a Q the Old farts in NY could have totally avoided. Makes me wish I had one of their CD's for research at times. Do ya suppose if I went to the local KH they would give a good ol apostate me the item I am requesting, LOL yeah right.

Thanks again
Seedy

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WTS is going down: Illusion or Reality?

by Martini in

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hi folks,.

it appears that the tides are turning upon the wts.

judging by recent child abuse cases, un scandal and blood doctrine change that the wts is being exposed and that the rest of the world is taking note.

seedy3

Well, somehow I feel much of this will bring a lot of people to open up their eyes, but it seems there are so many that would follow the WTS to their graves. Such is typical for any Cult like group. The WTS in many JW's eyes can really do no wrong. I mean look at the REAL date of the BIG "A", not just a suggested one "1914". Soon after that day came and went (along with a few other dates soon after, due to the miscalculations LOL), many fell away and saw they were a False prophet bunch. Yet they seemed to survive, somehow. I'm sure that the WTS will survive this one as well, with a loss of membership, but the diehards will still stand by them, their heads buried in the sand, and feeling as they always say, "they are only human" and "they didn't mean it that way" or "it is now new light,it was not fully understood then". Yeah right, well what ever. I am however looking forward to the day when these idiots (JW's) stop calling me the liar, and they see who really are the liars here. LOL everytime the NGO thing got brought up, the only words from their mouths were, "your such a liar", "is that all you do is go around and spread lies about the WTS?". NOw I love to rub it in their faces, Who was the liar??? HMMMMMM

Seedy