Ok I'm getting tired of this, in less then 24 hours it will be our third typhoon this year! Another 2-4 weeks no power, no cable TV, water pressure will be minimal.
Ok who's coming over for the Typhoon party??
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by seedy3 inok i'm getting tired of this, in less then 24 hours it will be our third typhoon this year!
another 2-4 weeks no power, no cable tv, water pressure will be minimal.
ok who's coming over for the typhoon party?
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television evangalists anyone?
by freddi inmany years after i left the j.w.
's i started watching t.v.
evangalists.
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When I want a really, really good belly laugh, I watch Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, Those two are like Laural and Hardy of the TV evangelests. I have never seen 2 "Men of God" put their foot in their mouths more often then they do. Yet they bring in the bucks, Hmmmm kinda makes me wonder if I shouldn't get into that business.
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I know the Bible is True
by SwedishChef ini know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.
there is not one contradiction with these pages.
humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.
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As I was reading along, I was taking note of the quote that SwedishShef uses as his signature, I find it interesting that a man as Winston Churchill would be so blinded as to say such a thing, but I guess we have a fool in the Whitehouse now so it only stands to reason.
I would like to share with you some quotes from some of the founding fathers of the USA, and others that are notable in our history:
"The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."
President George Washington in the Treaty of Tripoli"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."
President John Adams in The Jefferson-Adams letters."I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It has made one half the world fools, the other half hypocrites.
President Thomas Jefferson"The bible is not my book...and Christianity is not my religion."
President Abraham Lincoln to the Washington D.C. clergy"Religion is regarded by the common people as true...by the wise as false...and by the rulers as useful..."
Mark Twain"A just government has no need for the clergy or the church. The fruits of Christianity are pride and indolence in the clergy...ignorance and servility in the laity...and in both clergy and laity...superstition...bigotry and persecution."
President James Madison...author of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution From his address before the General Assembly of Virginia...1785"The bible has some poetry...some blood drenched history...a wealth of obscenity...and upwards of a hundred thousand lies.
Mark Twain"Civilization will thrive when the last stone...from the last church...falls on the head of the last priest."
Emile Zola"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians."
Martin Luther"FAITH...(noun) belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge..."
Ambrose Bierce columnist for the San Francisco Examiner"ARE WOMEN HUMAN?" A subject debated for two weeks at the Council of Macon in Lyons, France 584 a.d. Debated by 63 Catholic Bishops. The vote was finally taken and women were voted "human" by only one vote.
The debate is still going on today in 2002 in the Catholic church...Southern Baptists...and all fundamentalist churches."It is fear...that first brought God and Gods into the world."
PetroniusAnd here is a couple of special ones for the Fundie in all of us:
"I pray with all of my heart for the day when we will not have any more public schools. The churches will have taken them all over and we Christians will be running them."
Jerry FalwellAin't ol' Jerry just a sweety
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."
Jerry Falwell on the 700 Club TV showOh!!! and I can't leave out our old friend Pat Robertson and his response to the above quote, he's just another sweety.
Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.
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I know the Bible is True
by SwedishChef ini know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.
there is not one contradiction with these pages.
humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.
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William Penwell wrote
The best comparison to the fundie christian belief I have ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Kiss Hank's ass and you get a million" LMAO!!!
William, that one is going in my files, and I may just frame a copy of it and put it on my wall.
SwedishChef,
The problem is, most of us here have done the research, and it seems you have not. The stories that you hold so dear in the bible are just more ancient stories from other religions and cultures. Even the story of Job, has it's basis in Hindu stories. The flood was from Sumer/Chaldeian. The exodus is based from the Canaanites/Hykosis. Abram and his stories are based in Sumerian/Canaanite stories. They are all much older then what you think, and had no basis or anything to do with the Hapiru (Hebrews). Even your God of the OT is based in Canaanite mythology, the Hebrews just adopted it.
But in reality, if you chose to beleive in mythology, it's ok with me and I'm sure most everyone here. I just don't buy it, and never will, but perhaps Hank will kick my ass for not, kissing his, err I mean maybe god will punish me for not worshiping him, but that is the chance I will take, and deal with it later.
Seedy
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Anyone from Redding California?
by Ladyruby ini was raised in redding california and would love to meet others that live or lived there.
i was there from 1968 until 1982 and then moved to the burney california area.
love to all and blessed be, .
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Hi Ladyruby,
I used to be in Burney CA when I was a kid, I was there from........ hmmmm let me see that was a long time ago.......... about 1968/69 till about 71/72. Do you still live there?? did you attend the KH there??
When I was about 12/13 my parents moved "Where the need was greater" and they assigned us to Burney CA, my parents were some of the ones that worked to get the Fall River Congregation started. I used to have a lot of friends up there, all JW then but I have wondered what ever happened to them.
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I know the Bible is True
by SwedishChef ini know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.
there is not one contradiction with these pages.
humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.
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This is too cool, I love it when a PRO christ site offers proof that Jesus was so different that he could not have been made up.
hooberus posted:
Nine Ways to Know that
the Gospel of Christ is True
Hmmmm perhaps they should do some research, there were many pagan God/man savours long before this Jesus person came on the scene. Most of whom had very simular lives. But I suppose they were all made up......... or do you suppose the Jesus myth is little more then a combonation of these stories with it's basis in the jewish belief?? Well I for one and IMHO accept the idea that Jesus was little more then Paul's perception. He wanted to be a Jew and yet follow the mystery religions.
Perhaps he also needs to read all the HUGE differences in the gospels. They didn't get together on a lot of topics so they could keep their story straight.
Historically, the bible has little to really offer, even as a historical document. It does give some insight into the world of that time, it does give locations and name of these places, but events are obscured by racial prejudice, political and religious bias. Most of the events that they say happened have no record in history. Even this GREAT man/God, who did so much has no recorded history, when there were historians right there to record it. The gospel events of his death, i.e. the earthquake, the eclipse, and so forth have no record. The events of his birth, i.e. the strange star, the killing of the children under 2 years old and so forth has no record. Why would this be?? Perhaps they were "made up"? Or perhaps they were adopted from another mythology.
You know if you study the bible, I mean study about it research it, not in it, but about it, you might find it facinating, and quite puzzleing as to why your mommy and daddy taught you that it was the word of god.
Seedy
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Scooby Doo is EVIL ! ! ! ! !
by nicolaou infor the first time in nearly two years, we were invited out for a meal by a bunch of dubs from the cong'.
the former po, his wife and mother-in-law and a couple of single mums and their kids.
frankly i could've done without it - all the pretence etc.
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It is interesting that you should bring this subject up. My second oldest sister (11 years my senior) is still in the borg, and going strong. One year we made a move to the city she lived in and stayed with her for a little while until we found a place of our own. One day my kids were watching Scooby Doo, and she came in to me and third degreed me about how demonic that show was and how it should not be watched by true christians. Well, I asked her if she had actually ever watched the show to it's full, and she said "No" why would I watch a demonic show as that. That is when I made it clear to her that it is far from demonic, IN FACT, I said, they set out to prove that the spirits and gouls that are in the show are nothing more then people trying to fool the rest of the world/community, by posing as creatures/spirits. Well It's still was on the ban list in her house. Such closed minds they have. Hmmmm makes me wanna get all smurfy, LOL.
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`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection
by badboy inthe name `jehovah' appears on a liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of spencer percival assassination on 1 side and john wesley on the other side.
(methodist recorder,issue 7562,page 8.. i also understand that the tetragramm was assoiceted with baal.
in view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is jehovah an appropriate name 2 use.
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another interesting page is http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html
If you cannot access it I have some of the more interesting and pertaining quotes below.
In reference to some tablets found in Canaan:
"Amongst the hundreds of place names in the commercial and diplomatic texts, of special interest to Biblical scholars are references to places and vassal cities in Palestine like Hazor, Gaza, Lachish, Megiddo, Akko, Sinai, and even Jerusalem itself (Urusalima) . "But perhaps the most intriguing names are those personal names which also appear in the Bible; names from the 'Patriarchal Age' like Ab-ra-mu (Abraham), E-sa-um (Esau), Ish-ma-ilu (Ishmael), even Is-ra-ilu (Israel), and from later periods, names like Da-'u'dum (David) and Sa-'u-lum (Saul). The most tantalizing adumbration is the name of Ebrum (Biblical Eber), third and greatest of the six kings of the Ebla dynasty between 2400 and 2250 BC. He seems to have been placed on the throne of Ebla by Sargon the Great of Akkad after a punitive expedition in which Ebla was subjugated. But after Sargon died (c.2310 BC), Ebrum turned the tables on Akkad and reduced its cities to vassalage in turn. It was not until 2250 that Sargon's grandson, Narum-Sin of Akkad, was able to throw off the yoke of Ebla by conquering the city and putting it to the torch."
"It may be pure coincidence that this powerful king of Ebla, King Ebrum, should have had the same name as Eber, from whom the Hebrews traced their descent....(coincidentally, Arab historians have traditionally dated Abraham to c.2300 BC)."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands"Tablet 1860 names the five cities of Genesis 14:2 in the same order, i.e. Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboiim and Zoar. Up until the discovery of the Ebla tablets, the existence of these biblical cities was questioned; yet, here they are mentioned as trade partners of Ebla. This record predates the great catastrophy involving Lot when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.
"Also included in the archive are very early Canaanite creation and flood stories which very closely resemble that of the Bible."
- John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"The Protoindo European god Yayash, Ya or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".
"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."
"A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God - 'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root ' hayah' , 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt:"
- Great Events of Bible Times"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
- Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18"One of the earliest heroes from the time of the initial invasion was the warrior Jerubbaal who later changed his name to Gideon. (His original name was certainly Canaanite honoring the god Baal, which probably illustrates that at the time Yahweh was not as entrenched as the later authors of the Old Testament would like us to believe.)"
"For many, Yahweh was no more than the Israelite war god, useful in time of battle but a fairly lowly figure when viewed against the full pantheon of the gods. The names given to notable Israelites down the ages whose a strong respect for Baal, and even the most ardent Yahwist would not pretend that the Jews of this period believed in only one god."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of JesusAnyway someinteresting reading none the less.
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`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection
by badboy inthe name `jehovah' appears on a liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of spencer percival assassination on 1 side and john wesley on the other side.
(methodist recorder,issue 7562,page 8.. i also understand that the tetragramm was assoiceted with baal.
in view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is jehovah an appropriate name 2 use.
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Ok here I am at work today, and hereis the promised links
I had one other, but it must have been at home and I lost it.
The other one was mostly a listing of the pantheon that the Canaanites worshipped and YHWH was one of them.
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`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection
by badboy inthe name `jehovah' appears on a liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of spencer percival assassination on 1 side and john wesley on the other side.
(methodist recorder,issue 7562,page 8.. i also understand that the tetragramm was assoiceted with baal.
in view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is jehovah an appropriate name 2 use.
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" I also understand that the Tetragramm was assoiceted with Baal"
Badboy is quite correct, The Tetagramaton has been found in the Ugarate in Canaan and was one of the lesser sons of their almighty God El. I do not have the link to a research paper that was done on it here at home (I forgot to back up all of my bookmarks when I formatted my PC last week), but I do have it at work and will post that and one other that covers this subject about YHWH coming from a pagan belief.
Seedy