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  God//Jesus and Quantum Uncertainty

  by SYN in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another day, another serious post.

  breaking form from my recent spate of humour, i've been doing a lot of thinking.

  theological thinking, to be specific.

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  I say we all get iron charioits and do what we want, cause god can't touch em

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  Did I find the right Church?

  by Sherwood in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  found this on usenet and just had to pass it along.

  sherwood.

  investigating.

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  I h ave never seen a website more honest then that one.......... How do I join!!!!!!!!!!

  YOUR AN IDIOT, YOUR AN IDIOT

  Yeppers, I agree with that statement for anyone thinking about joing any religion.

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  Any Buddhists Here?

  by Southland in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a jw from birth until after i got out of high school.

  i've drifted away over the last 15 years or so.

  lately i have found myself missing my sense of spirituality.

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  From what little studying I have done on Buddism is that it is bassically agnostic, and does not subscribe to any particular Dieity, but does not have an objection if you or any member of the group does. The buddist is really to make you understand yourself and life as it is now, although it does subscribe to morality as a way to gain in the next life. Some sects of buddism beleive that we are all able to become Gods (not like the christian god of being almighty) at one point in our incarnations, but most of the sects feel the best incarnation is to be human, becasue it is too easy to get lazy or haughty if you reach the level of Godliness.

  There are a few Buddist cults running around and should be avoided as they are not much better then the christian cults, they do exert control of their members and also their money and assets.

  I suppose I am much like Farkel in the note of Buddism, I am not one, but do accept many of the ideals they have that I know about. But then again I also follow the Wiccan rule of "Do what ye will but harm none" I actualy like that rule, becasue in it as ong as what ever I do, if it does not harm you or anyone else, who should care what I do.

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  God//Jesus and Quantum Uncertainty

  by SYN in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another day, another serious post.

  breaking form from my recent spate of humour, i've been doing a lot of thinking.

  theological thinking, to be specific.

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  I vote we put the GB in a steel box (of course with holes in it they have to breath), throw it in the ocean and see if they float.

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  Why is the Bible wrong?

  by StinkyPantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this primarily goes out to other agnostics and athiests.

  this week i got into two interesting conversations that i will admit that i was ill prepared for.

  one was with a jw friend of mine who wanted to know why i thought jw's were wrong.

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  The accounts of the lives of these gods are very mythical, whereas the accounts given in the new Testament are written in the historical.

  The idea that "Those other Gods are myth and Jesus is historical" is very not true. There is no more historical evidence for Jesus then there is for the other "Man/Gods. During the fist half of the first century there was not one single solitary word written about the Jesus of the bible. Also during the last half of the 1st century BC to the first half of the 2nd century AD there were no less then 8 Jewish messiahs, actually I think 9 if you count the Jesus of the bible.

  Even the early church fathers knew there was a profound simularity of the "Myths" to Jesus on the website mentioned earlier he uses quite a few quotes from Justin Martyr to show this here is a couple of the quotes on this particular topic.

  "we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter"? {St. Justin Martyr, First Apology]

  He went on to say that the only reason of the simularities is the demons set out to make it look like these other gods were infact the messiah, they read the scriptures and set up a fake messiah in the form of these other God/Men to fool mankind. So really the early christians did know that the simularities was profound.

  A reading of the complete lives of these mythical characters (and not just certain parts) shows them to be as a whole very different from Jesus.

  This is very true, much the same as a Volkswagon is different then a Rolls Royce. The point on the Website is not to show that Jesus is an exact copy, but just a new model of an old concept.

  While the accounts of these myths are as a whole very different from the accounts of Jesus, it is claimed by some that there are parallels which indicate that certain aspects of the life of Christ were borrowed from these pagan sources

  There is as much difference between Attis and Mithras and there is between Jesus and Mithras or Attis. Just becasue he is different does no make his story any less mythical.

  The Christinaity that we see today is more or less a Paulien version, it was what was established by the Church of Rome blessed by Constintine, who made all other forms of christianity or pagan religions against the law and punisable by death. Roman Christianity didn't come to popularity becasue it was true, it came about becasue it was forced down the throuts of every man woman and child not in hiding.

  Eventually all of the other forms of christianity was wiped out and their writings burned and the only thing left was Roman christianity, up until John Calvin and Martin Luther came on the scene. Then started the reformation period and we now have Protestants. But excpt for a few things Protestants still hold on to the same mythology as did the Romans, they just did it differently.

  I guess the point really is, that the ancient "Myth" beleivers beleived that their God/Man was a true and real as you do that Jesus is true and real. The idea that Jesus is real becasue there is the bible is proposterious, The writings of the ancient pagans are lost becasue the early christion fathers had them burned and destroyed to get rid of the competition. The gospels wer not written by anyone that KNEW Jesus, that is virtually a proven fact. The only writings that are known to have existed prior to about 150ad were some of the letters that were wrote by Paul and his followers, nothing more. There is an arguement that mark may have been written in the 1st century, but if it had been it was not public knowlege as the 2nd century leaders never refer to it at all until after about 150ad.

  You made the statement that you read "some" of that website, well start at the begining and go to near the end. it will take a bit of time but is well worth it. Itm ay not convince you that Jesus is a myth, but it will give you an idea as to why many of us do.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses Deny They Are A Cult

  by Kenneson in

  1. social
  2. current

  in today's globe and mail, an article entitled "where cultists play" addresses the issue of cults, principally in quebec.

  it takes a good look at the raelians and other cults of french origin.. speaking of france, it says that "the government has drawn up a list of 172 groups it considers to be cults; those deemed the most 'dangerous' are subject to special scrutiny.

  the list, which attracted criticism from civil libertarians, includes jehovah's witnesses and seventh -day adventists.".

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  Hmmmm, all of Christianity is a cult so what's the big deal??
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  Bible QUIZ! DoubleDogDare U!

  by Ravyn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.ffrf.org/bquiz.html

  i double dog dare you to take this quiz!.

  i got 40 out of 50, but the average score for americans is 15!.

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  I scored a 35 out of 50, not too bad for not studying the bible for about 20 years or more
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  God's Name?

  by seeking_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  another question for everyone.

  i have read through some of the threads, posts or whatever and even though there is a sense of disagreement over witnesses and the society, their way of handling the words of the bible.

  i was curious to know if anyone does believe jehovah is his name?

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  LISTEN PEOPLE!!!!! HIS NAME IS HANK AND HE WILL KICK THE S*** OUT OF YOU IF YOU DON'T GET IT RIGHT On the other hand if you get it right he will give youe a million bucks when you leave town. so don't screw it up for the rest of us OK????!!!!!

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  A riddle ....for you smart bastards!

  by gumby in

  1. social
  2. humour

  three men checked into a hotel room for which they paid $30.

  the next day, the manager realized that the men had been overcharged.

  she gave the bellhop $5 to return to the three men.

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  seedy3

  OHHH naddia, I love it when you talk discusting to me
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  A riddle ....for you smart bastards!

  by gumby in

  1. social
  2. humour

  three men checked into a hotel room for which they paid $30.

  the next day, the manager realized that the men had been overcharged.

  she gave the bellhop $5 to return to the three men.

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  Gumby,

  Your adding the wrong numbers, included in the $27 is the $2 the bell hop kept, add the $3 instead of adding the $2 twice. In actuallity the customers were suppose fo have paid $25 for the room the bellhop kept $2 and gave back $3 for a total of $30. 30 - 5= 25, 25+ 2 = 27, 27+ 3= 30

  Seedy