is there any particular speakers that you remember as being outstanding?
what was good about them?
did they use interesting illustrations?
I agree with Farkel, the best speakers were the visiting speakers that never showed up. It would really tick me off, when we thought the speaker was not showing up, and then at the end of the watchtower study, the idiot would show up, either he had car problems or had the times screwed up. GRRRRRRRRRRR, why, oh why didn't he just go back home? he he he he
Seedy
dear post reader.... i was that young and pretty sister you may have seen...the one with "all those kids".
the one who stuggled to raise her children alone.
the one who was rarely considered as "wife material" because she was "damaged goods".
Hi Annie Marie,
I'm so sorry to hear your story, but am glad you have chosen to share it with us, I'm sure it may not have been easy. I remember when I was young, the scream, don't scream switching back and forth, and I could never understand what the heck they were trying to do. It saddens me so often to hear of victims of a crime getting punished and then the criminal goes free, I hope this guy that did this to you got his in the end.
The Elders did an evil thing to you, and I also hope that they pay for it themselves as well. To cause that much emotional,mental, and I even bet phyisical damage to an innocent person that feels are putting themselves on the mercy of Jehovah, to find out in the end they are really putting themselves ont he mercy of a group of prejudice men whom care little for you or the congragation.
These people are cowards in their own right, and I bet they wouldn't do the same to their wives that they did to you.
Welcome to FREEDOM!!!
Seedy
what physical humiliation did you suffer in field service?.
i froze my little hands off in the winter and sweated until i got headaches in the summer....got yelled at if i complained about it....even if i was so hot or cold that i got sick afterwards.. at times it was like calculated torture.. you?
The thing that sticks out in my mind is the one time I went to a door and got stopped by a dog. Now I don't dislike dogs, but when I see a big dog it scares me s***less. So anyway I was about 8 years old going from door to door, my dad was working alternate houses, each of us alone. I went to this house, as I was walking up the driveway a German Shepperd came out to greet me.............. OHHHH man that dog looked like he was about 10' tall weighing in at about 500lbs....... growling, barking, I was stuck I couldn't move....... my feet were frozen to the ground (and it was summer). Everytime I even looked like I was going to go somewhere the dog moved closer to me........ What to do???????????????!!!!!!! I think I was stuck there for what seemed to be an eternity, finally my dad walked by, and ran in the driveway and grabbed me. If I remember I had to change my shorts LOL. That is my worst memory.
Seedy
it's really weird that so many people have left this board because they claim it was a manipulative and inflammatory place to be.. now it's all great posts, good content and no quarreling here at jw-d. there's something here that i can't quite get my head around, hmmm, i wonder what i'm missing........?.
englishman..
ENGLISHMAN!!!! YOU STOLE MY SIGNATURE PIC!!!! LMAO J/K
Seedy
actually this is a two part.
"you would be speaking in arabic now.".
doesn't make any difference what we do, israel has to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
Tammie,
Thank you for the great post. I did enjoy reading it, even though I find Pattie Robertson to be an idiot (see he would like to have athiests and pagans roasted at the stake if he had the chance), his interview was interesting.
However, it was not a full look at the situation during the tiome of the crusades and the conquests of islam. Carmel is correct that when the the christains took Jeruslaem the christians slaughtered any that were not christian (Jew and Muslim alike. The Pope issued his own Ji-had order, tellng the crusaders that if they die for christ they would be obsolved of their attrocities and give paridise life for their deeds. (not much different then the islamic Ji-had).
However when Salidin (thought the name was Salimn but no matter) re-took the city he allowed all that wanted to leave to leave in peace without blood shed to the civilian population.
When Queen Isabella of Spain expelled the jews from Spain (they were given a choice, convert/leave/die) they had nowhere to go they had no possesions, no property, no money, that was all taken by the Queen and her subjects. This was in a familar year that most americans learned about, 1492, yeah the year Coloumbus sailed to the new world.
The Sultan of the Ottoman Empire welcomed the jews to come to there and live and prosper.
Now don't get me wrong, I feel all three of these religous groups hae gone through their "Blood" period. There just seems to be something in the teachings of the "Holy Books" they tends fo ferver fanatisem in some people and they have to tkae it upon themselves to go killing for it.
Something else that is not mentioned is that the muslims, never oppressed scientific study, like the christians did. If the pope said the earth was the center of the universe then it was. If you had scientific proof it was not, you were burned at the stake as heritic. The Muslim areas of the world were not pushed, by religon, into a "Dark ages" like most of "Christian" Euorpe was. The Library of Alexandria was one such example of the studies that flurished under muslim rule.
I guess that's enough rambling as I am not trying to justify either side, I think religous fanitics need to pop a few more ritilans and get their heads on straight.
Seedy
tonight my wife informed me that an elder in her congregation wants to come over on sunday to give us a shepherding visit.
my response was: "the answer is no.
she said: "another day then?
Docbob has his letter on his websight that he used, I know of some that said they tried that but it didn't work. It seemed to have worked for Doc, but who knows how it will for anyone else. The thing you have to realize is in the end they get ya, you are still shunned, even though they can't really take any REAL action against you. If you would like to read his letter it's here http://people.ne.mediaone.net/docbob1/
Well I tried opening it but it didn't open, perhaps the server is down, but give it a try, if you want.
Seedy
how does your "on screen" sexual-personality line up with your "in person everyday" one?.
for example: some posters are very liberated & graphic on-line when discussing sex, but to their mate or to the average person on the street they may seem like "old-dubs" or just very conservative.. please answer honestly & give me a break, this might be my first "fluffer"
Hey I'm in chat right now, come on in the water is warm
how does your "on screen" sexual-personality line up with your "in person everyday" one?.
for example: some posters are very liberated & graphic on-line when discussing sex, but to their mate or to the average person on the street they may seem like "old-dubs" or just very conservative.. please answer honestly & give me a break, this might be my first "fluffer"
Ummmmm
My wife and I had a threesome on Friday night, is that what you mean???
he he
Actually my online life is much MUCH more reserved then in real life. Maybe that is strange, but it is. I really don't like cyber, seldom look at porno (I do mean seldom, I am a guy, come on)
Seedy
i believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments.
when one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.. the online source i use is called "bible gateway.
" it provides several different versions of the bible, and offers word search, which is an indispensible tool for those who take their bible research seriously.. bible gateway is at http://bible.gospelcom.net/.
i believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments.
when one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.. the online source i use is called "bible gateway.
" it provides several different versions of the bible, and offers word search, which is an indispensible tool for those who take their bible research seriously.. bible gateway is at http://bible.gospelcom.net/.
I tend to get into a lot of bible discussions, even though I don't beleive in the bible, so I have a few research bibles I use, online, here is my list.
http://www.bham.ac.uk/theology/goodacre/multibib2.htm
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ this is a version of the KJV with notes and sarcasem
http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/ this is actually a bible that still uses, the original name in the original form, and I don't mean YHWH, I mean Original.
Seedy
P.S. I think I have 2 others at work I will look tomorrow when I'm there.
