Posts by aboveusonlysky

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My brother died last night

by LisaRose in

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i found out this morning that my brother died last night, he was also an ex jw, 73 years old and died of heart disease and kidney failure.

it was not totally unexpected, as he had been in poor health, but it's a blow, especially as i just lost another brother two years ago.

there were six of us, now only four.

aboveusonlysky

So sorry lisarose, I'm quite new but I've been reading through some of your posts and you're clearly a very caring beautiful person

Many condolences

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Contradictions of the "no blood" policy....

by stuckinarut2 in

so according to witnesses, the bible states that all blood is sacred, and once it leaves the body's circulatory system it must be "poured out on the ground" to show respect to jehovah.. it mustn't be eaten or transfused.. so how do they justify it being ok to take in fractions of blood components when these have been produced from donated whole blood?.

the whole blood was not "poured out".

it was taken to a laboratory, stored, manipulated, put through processes to separate parts of it, broken down etc.... it certainly was not "dealt with in a sacred way".. and yet these blood fractions are deemed "ok" by the society?.

aboveusonlysky

"So how do they justify it being ok to take in fractions of blood components when these have been produced from donated whole blood?"

Is it possible that the GB need to have blood fractions when they are inoculated for traveling around the world?

if so the whole blood fractions thing could be just for their own benefit.

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So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

by tor1500 in

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i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

aboveusonlysky

"Can we pray for someone who isn't a JW"

1Tim 2:1 "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men"

Matt 5:44 "However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you"

That's what the Bible says, but if an elder says different......

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“Even if this wasn’t the Truth, I need the structure.”

by Londo111 in

i remember many years back a fellow ministerial servant saying this to me.

he felt that even if jehovah’s witnesses were not the only true religion, the regimented routine of meetings and field service and the strict rules and enforcement provided a beneficial structure for his life.

at the time i thought if this wasn’t “the truth”, i’d have no need for all that “structure”.

aboveusonlysky

1 cor 15 'But if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and your faith is also in vain.......we are to be pitied more than anyone.'

One thing the bible got right, no matter what structure the org seemingly provides, all the ministry/meetings/study are ultimately a big waste of time.

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Germany start a comission against child-abuse

by crazy_flickering_light in

if you live in germany, please share your story.

if not, please spread this link.

i'm so sorry, this is my first topic.

aboveusonlysky

Thanks for sharing the info and welcome to the forum, Germany is a lovely country and so is Scotland.

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Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

by Divergent in

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urghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.

aboveusonlysky

I was wondering, has there ever been a letter or petition campaign to try and get stricter laws against organizational shunning?
With this wt article and this summers assembly content all the evidence is there that the org are denying basic human rights. What if lots of people wrote at once to the government about it? Letters can be confidential or even anonymous. Just an idea.

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A big thanks to all you good good people

by aboveusonlysky in

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"when the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies" jefferson airplane.

until that is you find websites like this!

i want to say a big thank you to all of you for everything i've learned here, as well as jwfacts, jwsurvey, coc, isocf etc.. i'm a born in and i spent more than two decades of my adult life in full time 'service' for the (b)org.

aboveusonlysky

Thanks for the support guys

Billy that's so true, they tell you God is not unrighteous to forget your work and then bludgeon you to death with the big fat judgmental rafter in their eye the minute you say something they don't like.

Oppostate, you're right I have no pre cult personality, Satan and the big A were there from the start. After reading 'combating cult mind control' (I literally couldn't put it down, Hasan is a genius!) I'm hoping to develop a good post cult personality.

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To all my fellow sufferers at this "special" meeting today

by purrpurr in

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how are we all faring?

are we learning anything?

how are we coping?

aboveusonlysky

'I went to the toliet and was "very naughty" let's just say I made myself very happy 😎'

Lol! Please please please tell me you used the kingdom hall WiFi to help you!

Can you imagine the local needs!

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Alone

by Deleteandrestart in

since i woke up one year ago , i've been doing a somewhat controlled fade , the experience i've had has been a very solitary one , i don't mean by not seeing anyone i know because i know hundreds in several congregations and i was an elder .

but just coming to terms with the fact that this was no longer the solution to life's problems, that i'd wasted so much time, that as i sat in the kh and heard everyone comment, my heart was no longer in it , i no longer fitted in ..... i felt that they were in the congregation all under the spell or some form of hypnosis from the wtbts,.

it was like for the first time in my experience at the kh , that i was the only one to see what was actually going on , the indoctrination, the guilt tripping, i could see it all as clear as day , and yet i had as it where a metal gag over my mouth, i couldn't speak to anyone about it for fear of them turning me into the spiritual police.

aboveusonlysky

Deleteandrestart I have been in a very similar position until recently and your description of meetings is spot on, they can be excruciating and circuit visits/assemblies are even worse.

You say you're doing a somewhat controlled fade so try to remember that as long as you have an end game in mind every meeting you complete is one you won't have to do again (I still have to go occasionally so that's what I tell myself)

Also maybe try to tell someone who is not a jw your experience if it's safe to do so, maybe someone at work? The first 'worldly' person I told was my doctor and it was a truly liberating experience that made me feel 10 times better about myself.

If it gets too rough go to less meetings and say anxiety/depression is the cause, it will quicken your fade plus jdubs really struggle to deal with those things so they may leave you alone, of course everyone's situation is different but try to hang in there, we're here for you.

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No Birthday cards

by Xanthippe in

so no cards again yesterday from my daughter's uncle and aunts, my jw siblings, for her 21st birthday.

😀 no i didn't expect any but i just wonder if they even know she's twenty-one now.

do her cousins, one of whom has a baby of his own now?

aboveusonlysky

I'm five days too late posting this but give her a big happy birthday from the forum!