Posts by aboveusonlysky

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Why cant Judicial Committees be taped?

by HereIgo in

i have never understood this.

was it because of legal reasons?

i cant think of any other reason why it wouldn't be allowed, but i know the elders ask you repeatedly that you are not taping.

aboveusonlysky

One of the reasons is mystical manipulation, most jdubs when questioned about shunning will tell you nobody who is repentant is ever df'd, and the elders only do it as a last resort after trying all they can to lead the sinner to repentance.

They have to believe that because it's the only way in their minds to justify such a cruel punishment.

Recordings of jc's would prove beyond a doubt that none of that is true and what an awful arrangement it actually is.

Well done stuckinarut, I applaud you.

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Midweek meeting video

by aboveusonlysky in

did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

aboveusonlysky

Did anybody see the service meeting video this week?

Australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later JW's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything........

I'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?

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where have the demons gone?

by aboveusonlysky in

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does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?

i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.

for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

aboveusonlysky

Well, what did Jesus do when the “ruler of the demons” spoke to him? (Matthew 9:34) He said: “Go away, Satan!”

As I recall it Jesus spoke to satan for a few minutes and only sent him on his way when the dude asked for worship, Jehovah in the book of Job let Satan interrupt his board meeting and even had a flutter with him over the eternal future of his favourite human.

Another example of botchtower nonsense......."hey brothers, we've made a rule and here's a scripture that kinda loosely fits what we're telling you to do in a round about way"

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where have the demons gone?

by aboveusonlysky in

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does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?

i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.

for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

aboveusonlysky

"Now that I'm an atheist, I never come across any spirits or strange unknown happenings, dam that rational analytical thinking "

Great point, I remember watching the omen when I was a teenager, I knew it was about the antichrist and was scared as hell that something bad would happen in our house, but my curiosity overpowered the fear (same as reading anti JW stuff now I think about it).

Surely willingly watching a film like that would be far more likely to attract one of beelzebubs minions than buying a rug from a car boot sale!

Demons limited to living in dressers....lol!....naughty demon, threw away immortality to play hide and seek...demons Inc.

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where have the demons gone?

by aboveusonlysky in

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friends

does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?

i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.

for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

aboveusonlysky

Does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories JW's would tell back in the day?

I was a kid in the early 80's and I remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons. For example, one sister claimed that before she became a Jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

One of our elders was really against pink Floyd because he said he knew someone who would receive a phone call from a friendly demon every time he played a certain song of theirs. Also I heard many stories about JW's having supernatural trouble because they had brought some 2nd hand demon infested item into their home, at the time it made no sense to me why witnesses loved charity shops so much!

Does anyone else remember such stories? The demons seem to have gone, maybe they got tired of having to fix broken washing machines.

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Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

by pale.emperor in

im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

aboveusonlysky

There are some truly great posts in this thread people, very moving.

Pale.emperer I really feel for you dude, please try to think about what you have gained rather than what you've lost. This cult will always do it's best to take something from you, that's what they do after all but what you gain by being free is far better.

Since waking up I've lost some family, many friends and had some pretty horrible stuff said about me in the JW community. On the plus side though, me and my dear wife have just had our first child, something we were going to leave till paradise (it's just around the corner you know!) nothing compares to that man! Btw that's why I haven't been around for a while, the sleepless nights really do take their toll!

I'm over 10 years older than you, and sure I'd have loved to have done this earlier, but when I think what I have now compared to being trapped in a cult I can't stop smiling, this is real life afterall, not some illusion.

Make the most of what you have buddy, 31 is a brilliant age, even if you're starting over. All the best. Aboveusonlysky.

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Sanchy's critique: Nov 2016 Watchtower Study Articles

by Sanchy in

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what follows is my critique of the two final study articles from the november 2016 watchtower.

the articles titles are: "called out of the darkness" and "they broke free from false religion".. article: called out of the darkness.

parr 1. in 607 b.c.e., a massive babylonian army under the command of king nebuchadnezzar ii invaded the city of jerusalem.. .

aboveusonlysky

The hypocrisy is astounding, excellent analysis sanchy, well done.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

aboveusonlysky

Hey, don't pick on outlaw! I find his cartoons both funny and educational, and anyone who says otherwise can meet me behind the bike sheds after school and get their ass handed to them.

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Warning bells! Any organization that promotes spying or reporting on one another should raise concerns!

by stuckinarut2 in

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we all know that the society promotes a culture of reporting on one another to the elders for any breach of wt policy (not actual crimes - just breaking of wt rules).

many here have been "caught" researching facts about the society on sites such as this one.. surely that should raise alarm bells??

only high control cult-like groups operate like that!.

aboveusonlysky

In a word fear

The organization gives elders the power to be detective, jury and judge in people's private lives and this inevitably leads to abuse. Many publishers are willing to put others down to either climb the ladder or just make themselves feel better because the reality is that very few can live up to the org's rules and as a result feel worthless.

Also many elders are all too willing to scapegoat publishers because they're terrified of losing their position.

In my opinion many congregations are one big fear factory.

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Education, Indoctrination, or Propaganda?

by stuckinarut2 in

can anyone remember that classic magazine article that stated:.

"education teaches one how to think, but propaganda tells one what to think" ?.

(if someone can post that quote and article that would be great!).

aboveusonlysky

That same article tells you to check the track record of any organization that claims to have authority, yet I'm pretty sure when a person checks the JW's track record they call that apostasy.