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  DATELINE ON TONIGHT

  by beepers in

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  i heard on the tv line up that datelines story for tonight is a relogions tolerance of child abuse.

  i think it is on at 9 central.. amy

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  My Info button says, "Disciplinary methods advocated by an Atlanta church lead to the removal of children from parishioners' homes."

  Not our story, but it is a church abuse story.
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  The Stimulus Debate in USA

  by Julie in

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  with all the talk of politics on the board lately i thought i would share with you some information on an important debate going on right now in the us.

  that would be the economic stimulus package.. http://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=en&lah=28bb2a04d1720e2779197658f7ba7d97&lat=1006869672&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emotherjones%2ecom%2fweb_exclusives%2fcommentary%2fopinion%2fstimulus%2ehtml.

  the meat of the article reads:.

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  I'm generally against the government trying to influence the economy -- they usually makes things worse, or work too late. As was pointed out, the economy is slowing righting its ship anyway. But politicians like to be seen as "doing" something, so they do what comes naturally -- take our tax money and waste it.

  This stimulus package is basically a bunch of giveaways in the form of corporate welfare. Socialism in action. My take on it is encapsulated in this political cartoon:

  http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cx/uc/20011126/po/po011126.html?u
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  It aint necessarilly so

  by Simon in

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  a new program just started on itv1 (for us ukers) with john mcarthy of beiruit hostage 'fame'.

  examining the stories and archeology of the bible.

  this episode seems to be about the walls of jericho.. the question he asked a curator at the british museum made me think:.

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  Huh? What's all this talk about Clinton? The point of my most recent response was that what I found objectionable was sunscape saying spin is a "liberal tactic," not so much the accusation about Clinton. I said Clinton was better at spin than even the Republicans, in fact, he was better at it than most politicians. If he only were more circumspect about his personal life, he would have gotten away with lots of sleaze, the way most politicians get away with sleaze.

  But this is not a Clinton versus Bush point primarily. This is about sunscape calling spin a "liberal tactic" as if only they do it. All politicians do it, including Bush. This point is so well-known and self-evident, I can't believe you don't readily admit it instead of taking advantage of another conversation to jump on me.

  Sunscape, in the middle of a conversation, said a throwaway line about spin that was totally one-sided. That is the very definition of spin, which means sunscape is guilty of doing the very thing accused of Clinton and the WTS. That's precisely how spin works.

  Sunscape accused the WTS of doing this. Everybody is happy. I accuse sunscape of doing the same thing. Suddenly I'm the bad guy.

  Fine, I've made my point. I'll move on. The political reality doesn't change no matter how much spin is applied.
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  It aint necessarilly so

  by Simon in

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  a new program just started on itv1 (for us ukers) with john mcarthy of beiruit hostage 'fame'.

  examining the stories and archeology of the bible.

  this episode seems to be about the walls of jericho.. the question he asked a curator at the british museum made me think:.

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  Holy!! touchy!! What is is with you jumping onto my post out of nowhere other than to irritate me? You're wearing Clinton's shoe. Nobody's perfect already, but, on average, Bush is giving it his best shot with people coming at him at both ears on all levels. The world's politicians usually make the best of what was given them, however my opinion of Clinton vs. Bush differs from yours. I don't wan't to enter into that cesspool.

  Interesting assumptions you make. So my opinion of Clinton is different than yours? I think Clinton was sleazy. What do you think? The opposite, according to your assumption, I would suppose.

  My objection was when you said sping was a real "liberal tactic." As I responded, both sides do this equally. I think the reason the right wing began hating Clinton even before he was president is not because of his morals (after all, how often have we seen politicians on all sides exhibit bad moral behavior, so they could hardly be shocked that Clinton was just like them), but because a Democrat finally came along that could spin better than the Republicans.

  The spin out of the Bush White House is totally dishonest these days. And guess what? The next time a Democrat becomes president, the spin from his or her White House will also be dishonest. Politicians lie. All of them. Including Bush. He's already been caught lying to us, and no doubt he will continue to lie to us. Unlike Clinton, however, Bush had his wild years before he went into office. Clinton kept it up to this day, and so he was more readily sleazy in appearance. Most politicians are more subtle in their sleaze than Clinton.

  My point was, however, that the WTBTS uses the same political spin doctoring, even to an excess, in order to cover up blatant misdeeds. Everything has to be "filtered" through their media spokespeople and ranks. The end product is seldom other than pure distortion.

  I agree with that 100%, and it's just as bad as what politicians do. Again, my objection was your assertion that this was a "liberal tactic," when it is a tactic used equally by all sides.

  A nice "welcome back" from any of you long-time members here would have been refreshing; those of you who remember me -- Jan does and acknowledged that yesterday...Cyg, Rick, Tina, Marilyn, bx, and COMF and a whole bunch of others I forgot to mention. A great big hug to you all; and let's continue to respect each other for our differences and rejoice for all we have in common!

  I respect differences, but I don't respect slanted, false statements that I know to be false. You are welcome to be conservative (many folks here are). What I hope you won't do is make a side statement in a topic along the lines of, oh, say, "Anyway, all brunettes are dishonest," and when someone points out the prejudice in that statement you respond with, "Well, this is some kind of welcome I'm getting! What's with you?"

  Make an inflammatory comment on a discussion board, you can get a correction. I sure got pounced on all day yesterday for my inflammatory comments. Join the club.

  Now, if you don't make such prejudicial statements, I won't jump in to correct them. And no matter what you do, welcome back. Always glad to have another person joining in. No really, I do mean that, and although I responded harshly to your statement, I don't feel that way about you as a person.
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  confession

  by Mulan in

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  i haven't told this to very many people, so here goes.. when i was a child, my parents became jw's (i was almost 5), so i had celebrated christmas a few times, but have few memories of it, other than the bubble lights, and a huge tree and my grandparent's house.

  when we stopped celebrating it, i didn't really "get it", and i still believed in santa claus.

  i just thought he didn't come to our house anymore.

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  What a fascinating thread! I'm glad to read all the other responses on here, but to be perfectly honest, I think I'll stick with my original thought: I would not teach a child of mine about Santa. To me, it's lying to your child. To others in this thread, it's "fantasy" not lies. OK, I can kinda see where you are going with it. But I had a rich fantasy life, none of which was based on my parents telling me something that turned out not to be true.

  I didn't envy the other kids believing in Santa. Made no difference to me where my presents came from. My fantasy life was richly developed anyway. I learned that life is full of lies anyway. Didn't seem to hurt me, other than perhaps making me think I would do as my parents did, which some of you may view as a hurtful thing. I dunno.

  But in any case, it was very interesting to read different perspectives.
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  U.S. Presidents who are/were Freemasons

  by sf in

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  < http://hardtruth.topcities.com/uspresidentasmasons.htm.

  < http://hardtruth.topcities.com/uspresidentasmasons.htm.

  a portion from this page:.

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  hmm ...ok, so if i get this right - sf is heavily into researching mason stuff ... and seeker isn't right ?

  Yup, that's the dynamic, all right. I did my masonic research years ago, sf is still doing it now.

  I hope you saw my replies to you in the occult thread.
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  A Socialist defends Americans

  by Rex B13 in

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  for all of the anti-american cynics in range, here is a commentary from one of your own that plays a different tune, albeit a socialist one.

  do any of our regulars sound much like this woman named 'raven', cited in the article?

  (btw, i read the whole article).

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  No it wasn't, Rex. Throughout history, any time Christians took control of a nation, people like me were in danger of being put to death.

  Given the level of hate I have experienced at the hands of Christians in recent years, I have little doubt that if they had the power, they would try to kill me.
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  confession

  by Mulan in

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  i haven't told this to very many people, so here goes.. when i was a child, my parents became jw's (i was almost 5), so i had celebrated christmas a few times, but have few memories of it, other than the bubble lights, and a huge tree and my grandparent's house.

  when we stopped celebrating it, i didn't really "get it", and i still believed in santa claus.

  i just thought he didn't come to our house anymore.

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  That was a touching story, Mulan. I can just picture your yearning to see Santa.

  I don't know what the best thing is to do for kids. I have assumed that teaching your child about Santa Claus was a bad thing (though a small bad) simply because on its most basic level you are lying to your child. What's the harm? My assumption is that the child, once they find out the truth, will wonder what else their parents told them that was a lie.

  Now, maybe this is totally unrealistic, and no kid thinks this way. I can't say from personal experience, because my pre-JW parents never taught me Santa Claus. I always knew it was my parents buying the presents, and I loved Christmas as much as the next kid despite that.

  So, is my theory all wet? Does it not matter if you lie to your kids? Or is that too harsh a way of expressing it? I truly don't know.
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  It aint necessarilly so

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a new program just started on itv1 (for us ukers) with john mcarthy of beiruit hostage 'fame'.

  examining the stories and archeology of the bible.

  this episode seems to be about the walls of jericho.. the question he asked a curator at the british museum made me think:.

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  Oops, looks like I touched some nerves of sensitivity there! lol...if the shoe fitz..

  Yes, you touched on a nerve I have whenever someone makes a verifiably, obviously false and slanted statement. If you had said instead, "A real conservative tactic; very Bush-esque; disgusting." I would have had the same nerve touched.

  Now, what shoe am I wearing?
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  It aint necessarilly so

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  a new program just started on itv1 (for us ukers) with john mcarthy of beiruit hostage 'fame'.

  examining the stories and archeology of the bible.

  this episode seems to be about the walls of jericho.. the question he asked a curator at the british museum made me think:.

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  There's that word spin again! It actually means that they LIE to get out of some embarrassing situation(s). A real liberal tactic; very Clinton-esque; disgusting.

  See, this is why I get accused of being a liberal. Comments like this. ALL politicians spin (i.e. lie to us). Bush lied to us in his big speech after 9/11. Conservatives lie. Liberals lie. Republicans lie. Democrats lie. Clinton was merely brazen about it, but politicians have been acting Clinton-esque for many, many years.