Quite right, julien. My apologies, freeman.
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19Ordered Complexity necessitates Design
by gravedancer injust a short question which probably was raised before.. the favorite argument of creationists: since there is such abundant complexity in the world around us and within us - doesn't this point point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
god)?.
much info abounds on both sides of the answers to the question.
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Ordered Complexity necessitates Design
by gravedancer injust a short question which probably was raised before.. the favorite argument of creationists: since there is such abundant complexity in the world around us and within us - doesn't this point point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
god)?.
much info abounds on both sides of the answers to the question.
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AAAAAUUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!! These replies to the original question are so tiresome. People, learn about evolution before you debunk it, k? Behe? Totally discredited. Read about it. The watch example? Explained. Complexity implying something? Shown not to be needed.
Just read and learn, and not from anti-evolutionary sources. If you want to learn about evolution, go to the source and learn from evolutionists. My god, this is the 21st-century! Let's get with the program.
End of rant.
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The United States Knew about 9-11 in advance?
by bboyneko indelmart vreeland, a 35-year-old american is in canadian custody for credit card fraud charges.
here's the kicker, he claims to be a lieutenant in a u.s. navy intelligence unit, basically a spy who knew in advance about 9-11.. in his affidavit, he says he tried to warn canadian intelligence about possible terrorist attacks on new york and the pentagon, along with targets in ottawa and toronto, but was written off as a petty criminal.
so he wrote the warning on a piece of paper, sealed it in an envelope, and handed it to jail guards a month before the attacks.
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Haven't heard of this guy, but here is what I do know:
1. I myself read about bin Laden's plans in the weeks before 9/11. They were in the newspaper. Just like all the other times he had warned something bad was going to happen soon. This time, something actually did happen. So it's not as if we didn't have warning, for we did and I read about it in August.
2. The NSA or FBI captured terrorist messages over the phone describing the upcoming attacks, including plans. They claim they didn't get around to deciphering the messages until after 9/11, which is why they claimed they didn't warn anybody. So yes, we did know in advance, and either didn't get around to reading what was captured in time, or we did and covered it up for whatever reason.
The conspiracy theorists point out that the one person who benefitted most from these attacks is Bush, and his administration. The ridicule has stopped, and he has a free hand to do whatever the hell he wants to do and if anyone questions him, he points out that it's to "fight terrorism," and that shuts the opponent up. His administration has rammed through Congress a bunch of legislation that they have wanted for a long time that would erode the rights of U.S. citizens while increasing the power of the government. 9/11 gave them the reason to get this through.
So there is a plausiblel reason why the government might have known about the attacks and chose to do nothing. No doubt, under this scenario, they had no idea the attacks would be as successful as they were and that the buildings would actually collapse. I'd like to think, even as I spin this imagined scenario, that they would have acted had they realized the depth of the destruction that would follow.
None of the above is true, just a possible scenario under which it would make sense for the government to know in advance but do nothing. And for those of you horrified to think that a government could williingly allow Americans to die in order to further an agenda.....what do you think governments do??
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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Xena
just bugs the heck out of me when I feel like someone is telling me how and why I think a certain way.
I understand, I'm the exact same way. We all like to feel we are in control of our actions, and it's disturbing when we realize how much of what we do is directly controlled by a) our childhood experiences; and b) propaganda designed to motivate us in certain ways.Neither a) nor b) is perceived consciously unless we focus very hard and with great clarity.
And it bugs the hell out of us to have someone point this out. :)
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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Yeah, Jan, if most Americans could raise their eyes enough to see how the rest of the world thinks, the old myth of the liberal media would die a deserved death fast. The American media is so conservative to the rest of the world as to be laughable to hear people muttering about 'liberals' everywhere. There is virtually no voice for liberals in the U.S., not in the real sense of the word.
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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TR,
Move to France, Seeker. LOL!
Believe me, I've thought of it. Between my intellectualism that goes over like a lead balloon here, or my independent political thought that doesn't conform to any of the accepted 'teams,' or my dislike of American religious extremism, or my views toward personal appearance, I just belong in Europe. I love America, but I seem to be one of the few left who do. Many other persons are only too happy to throw away the constitution while waving the flag mindlessly as they swallow the propaganda of the day while smugly thinking they are being a good American.TR
Basically, I just don't belong here anymore. If it wasn't so hard to emigrate while getting a job in the new country, I'd be long gone. Of course, who am I kidding? I am such a non-conformist, I don't belong anywhere.
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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Xena,
Please don't take what I said personally, for it's not meant toward you. It's toward all of humanity that is subjected to the forces of propaganda.
Read earlier in this thread to the answer to your question, about how I am clean shaven, and how this is a very silly thing to do. But I do it anyway, and understand perfectly why you shave your legs. Remember, I did point out that you might have come to this idea on your own, without any outside influence. But considering that we are all taught, from birth, that women should shave their legs, it becomes hard to know what the source of the idea for each of us was. Learned or taught?
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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Xena,
Of course you have been influenced in your tastes by societal pressures. So have I. We all have. From birth onward, we are all bombarded by images and thoughts designed to change the way we think about certain things. It is so pervasive, it influences us even when we are aware of the process. You are no exception to humanity. As I said, if from birth onward society said it was totally sexy to shave the left side of your head totally, you would now be telling me how much you love shaving your head and how it was entirely your desire to do so without anyone telling you. That's how pervasive this societal pressure is on all of us.
Now, I'm not saying you would never have come to your position on your own, had society never pushed the idea in the first place. But I'll bet if you never heard of anyone shaving their legs, and society put forth images objectifying hairy legs on women, you (and I) would be thinking how nice and smooth it feels to have luxurious hair all over your legs. And you would probably defend this choice should anyone oddly suggest that shaving your legs was a better choice. You would probably argue with him that you chose to let your leg hair grow because you honestly like the way it feels.
Of course, I don't know you personally, and your reactions might very well surprise me if I did know you, and I'm not trying to pick you out for any reason. What I said above applies to every last one of us, me included. We have all been taught by advertisers who are masters of manipulation. I'm not even sure I can imagine what beliefs of mine would change if I had never, ever been exposed to this manipulation. I would probably be different in surprising ways, as would we all. So again, my comments are not meant personally toward you, but toward humanity in general.
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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Hey Dana,
I'm fine, thanks. Don't worry, I'll never do the combover. I'm not that far gone, actually, to where I would be tempted to do it. But I promise, when that day comes, I won't succumb. I am proud of who I am, and quite comfortable with my genetic gifts (good and bad). It's me, and if anyone doesn't want to accept that, it's their problem not mine. :)
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Shaving....Legs
by mindfield inwell, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.
i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.
i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!
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My questions is why is it ok to have hair on your arms and not on your legs???
An excellent question, and one that gets to the heart of my personal objection. It's arbitrary. Society sets a standard and expects women to march in lockstep behind it. Let me put it this way: What if society set a universal standard that you should shave half the hair on your head. If you didn't do this, you would be looked down upon or thought of as weird. What would happen? Right. You'd have women in this thread talking about how much they enjoy having half a shaved head, how smooth it feels, what they use, etc.
It's all arbitrary. Society said shave the legs, but not the arms, but yes, do the armpits! Absurd.
Now, if this is truly your preference, go right ahead. After all, I tried the beard and moustache thing, found I didn't care for the look as much as smooth shaven, so I shave my face. A perfectly silly thing to do, but it's become what I am accustomed to. I certainly understand why women shave their legs. And my objection is not so much aesthetic, as it is intellectual. I don't understand the arbitrary nature by which society sets standards for women. Yet one more way women are mistreated, though it's a very subtle way.