If it saddens you what is taught can it really be teachings from god .Gods teachings should only bring joy. As Lisa is Rose said trust your instincts, its this invisible intuition that has saved many humans their lives in emergency situations, trust it. Also remember there is a large possibility that if God really cares about his people ,then this group is not his people.
Posts by Chook
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26Finding out that jws are not what they make out to be
by nomorepain13 in*warning this is long* it all started on the last day of the "remain loyal to jehovah" convention.
a little background story, i've been raised as a jw, been in and out of the religon, never baptised but was made an unbaptized publisher about 3 years ago, always felt out of place in the congregation, blamed myself for this because if i had just went to meetings and did all the right things then i would have friends and not be in the mess that i was.
right after becoming an unbaptized publisher i met my now fiance, end up leaving my mother's house to live with him, elders haven't contacted me about my situation even though i'm sure they know as my step father is an elder...but anyway on the last day of the convention my fiance came with me as i was visiting my mother and had planned to go with her and her husband to the convention.
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CO visits me today
by Chook ini'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.
so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).
so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.
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Chook
I'm at home and hear knock on door , I sneak and look I see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity. So brave heart me think fuck it I'll answer ,I invite them in for coffee, I recognise one older man he is a unique elder who I genuinely was fond of when I was in his name is Andrew ,the other guy I didn't recognise we will call Harry ( not real name Australia doesn't have that many COs with his same name).
So I think to myself I will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise I'm not timid. 30 minutes pass of small talk then the warrior rises to the challenge ,this sheparding call went for nearly 3 hours . I don't no where to start ,it might not be in exact chronological order but it's all absolutely true. CO assured me what I say would not be used against me ( I didn't care at this point) I say my faith is challenged, CO why? I ask him will god hold responsible religious leaders who go beyond what's written and it costs the believer their life , to which the CO said yes, then I proceed to tell him my experience of being bitten by second most venomous snake in the world and needed antivenom which I go on to explain that JWs used to forbid , it fell into category of vaccinations and blood fractions ( it's made from horse blood). I say to CO if I was bitten 40 years ago as a JW I would have died based on a man written rule of a governing body that went beyond what's written. I proceeded to tell him how brothers lost their life on the issues of organ transplants, blood factions and also marriages were destroyed when they made rulings on oral sex ,then I asked did they go beyond what was written,of course you could see him feel uncomfortable. Then I tell him about the blood issue and reason with him how god made exceptions to the rule when the soldiers ate the unbled meat and Jesus in no uncertain terms made it clear that breaking gods law to save a life ( when sheep fell in the well on the sabbath ) was the greater good. I proceed to tell CO that if god holds these guy responsible for the deaths of these mislead parishioners then I don't want to be any where near mr Morris or Lett when the flames hit Warwick. I said the legacy of broken marriages and children without parents due to elders making rulings on things like oral sex , I told him the church ( I always referred to KH as church ) has made dozens of rulings over the years which literally cost people their lives and marriages.
Then I tell him about the disfellowshipping practice which in 1947 awake said it was a pagan practice, I ask him which is it , is it pagan or was god not directing the brothers when that article was written. Then I tell him about the suicides after people have been disfellowshipped for crimes that the leaders went beyond what was written. I go on to explain how I arrived at my best friends house an hour after he cut the rope from his child's neck and I then explain how this boy had emotional demons caused by the religion, I go on to explain how the boy was having trouble getting reinstated once due to hardline elders. I said if the clergy have a firey judgement , then there a good chance fire and sulphur could be headed to Brooklyn. My wife was kicking me under tithe table during all of this.
CO goes on to tell me it's gods organisation to which I respond by asking that if God chose the WT then is he aware of some of the crackpot beliefs back when it was founded, I explained in finished mistry book signs for end of world barbed wire ,push bikes, then I tell him about the WT that said about fondling babies genitals leads to the child becoming a masturbater.
Then I ask why does he think it's only JW who will be saved when it was a catholic monk who put the vowels into tettrigramiton( my spell check is shit ) or that the bible books were compiled by people who we would consider as Babylon the great.
Then I proceed to explain my wordly childhood verse the one I subjected my children to ( no sport, no wordly friends, no school camps no no no no no.) Then I tell him how my children observed how an elder stole the family trailer and another elder physically shoved one of my children verse their uncle who is a clergyman who took my kids on holidays with them and treated the children with respect. I said ask my kids who reflected Jesus more. I go on to explain how I sat at my kitchen table in the past and had a CO lie to me and when I pointed out to the CO and the elder with him I didn't believe their statement and the we should approach the person together to see if this is actually true the CO refused to go. I tell Harry the CO at my house today that that I have no fear of their boogeyman Judical procedure which I'm in agreement with the 1947 wake and think it's pagan, also I told him the father of the prodigal son didn't wait six months for the family BBQ wither the son.
Also I raised the issue of the preaching that didn't reflect first the century , I said could you imagine them standing on the cobblestone paths with a cart not approaching people with their scrolls and counting hours that have to be sent to Jerusalem for record collecting.
Then I ask if Jehovah witness is gods true religion why did Jesus never utter the name Jehovah , also I said I think if God wanted his people to be called that his son would of mentioned that.
I go on to tell this CO that an elder told me once I was sinning against gods Holy Spirit , and I replied that if my wife was in agreement with me is she sinning against the Holy Spirit to, to which the elder said yes. I go on to explain to Harry the CO that the fear factor has no power over me, then I say the clergy may have hell but your guys have your own name version called Gehenna where the fire never goes out.
It went on in this manner for 3 hours ,to which Harry the CO as leaving assured me when leaving that nothing I said wouldn't be used against me. To all my prophetic friends on here I want to see who of you guys can predict what will happen to me in the future regarding the church.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view the governing body differently since seeing them on the TV?
by jambon1 ini think this may be a bigger issue for the society than we realise.. when you consider that witnesses have now had well over a year of regularly seeing their 'channel to god' with their own eyes, what do you think they're thinking?.
i'm going to put this as respectfully as i can; these men are clearly a bunch of utter clowns who are laughably inadequate to present a tv show, but also, they are now ridiculously discredited due to the absolute shite that they've spoken in these laughable productions.. consider things from a jw's perspective; tony morris, stephen lett & geoffrey jackson are 'the channel' that makes their religion 'special'.
these men are the channel god is using to lead his people in the modern day.
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Chook
It doesn't say much for God choice of his representatives, when these men are seen at assemblies it gives the audience a free circus. Think of the 12 apostles then think of the 7 apostles, it hurts the brain. Appearing on tv is dumbest public relations move or gods on OUR side by revealing the truth of these guys
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What happens to the elders?
by Worldling9 inwith so many khs closing and congos consolidating, what happens to the elders?
clearly there won't be a place for all of them.
would the older ones be the first to go, losing their long held positions of 'power'?.
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Chook
It just means more dickheads gather in one spot
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IF the elder were paid, how would it change the organization???
by James Mixon inthere would be lot more brothers reaching out that's for sure.....
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Chook
The CO are paid, you can see the finished product.
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Is disassociating worth the hassle?
by HereIgo ini have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.
i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.
im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.
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Chook
There's the thought it would be waist of a postage stamp. If you have any family that's a consideration. Then there is the thought of not having to answer to them (which is my line of thinking). If DA floats your boat sign it with a amen from me. DA would be ok if you got off there database, but I think the cult has everyone on it for life. You could say in your letter you will change your mind if bro Lett rings you to discuss your doubts, I promise ph won't ring.
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Going To A Christening Next Week
by pale.emperor inso my girlfriends, friend has invited me to her little boy's christening.
6 months ago if you'd asked me this i'd have recoiled in horror.
in a catholic church?!!!
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Chook
Even when I was in I didn't fully believe in the boogeyman effect of Christendom and its churches ,my brother being a catholic priest has introduced me to dozens of good hearted and honest clergymen, I even used to stay at the church residence with my family when I would visit my brother ,the Catholic Church in Kiama Australia has a rockstar view on absolute oceanfront . My brother now is the Australian army chaplain for catholic boys ,he done time in Afghanistan reassuring the boys gods on their side. Some of the best architecture is found in church's, even JW on holidays in Europe visit the cathedrals. As pointed out earlier at least the catholic child baptised can change religions later in life and still have family relationships.
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An old Kingdom hall now a church?
by HereIgo inhave any of you heard of anything like this.
i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.
apparently the society sold it to the church.
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Chook
We need to replace the Brooklyn skyline with the picture above projected in the same spot as the slaughterhouse of bethel
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New type study for inactive ones now?
by careful inof course, conducting a "bible" study (actually a wts publication study) with an inactive person who comes back is nothing new.
i did so on occasion when i was in, or the boe would assign someone else to do so, especially if it was a sister.. however, i recently heard of this: during the course of the study the elders would go through a loyalty check of the person wanted to rejoin up by going through the baptismal questions again, just like they were a complete newbie.
has anyone else heard of this?
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Chook
I don't think even cash incentives would get any of us back
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An old Kingdom hall now a church?
by HereIgo inhave any of you heard of anything like this.
i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.
apparently the society sold it to the church.
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Chook
I always refer to KH as churches , if Babylon the great has got blood on its hands imagine what governing body hands look like, dripping from the blood filled chalice of Jw children who got misled on scripture,the suicides alone should make God angry. Always the people in to top of any organisation knows of the past sins. It's called blood guilt. Our church's have only one purpose, they are slaughter houses where the sheep are slaughtered .