Posts by Kick50r

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I have doubts... can you help me??- A new idea

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.

i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".

in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .

Kick50r

Can I for a sec correct you statement? " I know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them" to " I know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and SILENCE them"

As others have already said this is a game that can have many outcomes depending on your preparation / the elders preparation, but I can guarantee one thing - they wont say you are right.

IF they see you with FOUNDED doubts, and notes, they may change the tune to DF you on the next min and "invite you " for a further meeting in the KH.

IF they see you without founded doubts or notes , they will BS theyre "truth" away, you will become "dangerous" within the org, and a process is internally initiated ( this is a corporation), that either ends with you asking forgiveness and being a "GOOD" witness or DF

Ive seen it over and over again.

When I called someone at my house to talk , I had the end of the conversation already in mind, regardless of what they could say, and that worked fine to me .Hope it helps

Take Care

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How long will Paradise remaineth? Does Genesis 8:22 give us some kind of inidication?

by I_love_Jeff in

watchtower 6/15/1953 pg 371 though their annual periods were not calculated to the fraction of the day, there was no mistaking the seasons of the year, since jehovah had said, while the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.gen.

although jehovah's witnesses believe that paradise earth will remain forever, why does there own watchtower library 2014 software state otherwise?.

original word: part of speech: substantive; adverb accusative; adverb.

Kick50r

Genesis 8:22 , as well as sumerian mythology, in my opinion give us ignorant /false information because:

Our sun, as our main star, will evolve, and one day his increase in brightness will STOP photosynthesis , the base of seedtime and harvest.

Without plants how can THERE BE seedtime and harvest ?

either we can reason or just "God did it" and move on lol

Take Care

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

Kick50r

I believe since Gilgamesh Epics around 2100 B.C. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh) Religions "adjust / change" whatever they need in order to get whatever "interpretation" they want.

All the references regarding Earth lasting forever just demonstrate some degree of ignorance from the ones that have written it, because : the sun is a main sequence star as many others in this great universe in which nothing is eternal.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun)

I personally think "inspired people" would KNOW THIS , since now 12 year olds with smartphone do. lol

“They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.”

Take Care

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My daughter surprised me last night.

by Driving Force in

i started my fade a the beginning of 2015, took counseling form a psychiatrist, and worked hard to get my family away from the cult.

my marriage split and i now live alone with my 15 year old daughter.. she came to me last night and we started talking about jws.

she told me that the subject they are discussing at the moment in philosophy is "cults".

Kick50r

My sincere congrats to your daughter , and to you that have provided the best start possible by " worked hard to get my family away from the cult".

You have good reasons to be proud of her.

Haaa the Glorious days when children, knowledge in hand become immune to this disease called religions.

No wonder the J.W. are not very apt in dealing with these ...erm ... realities called Information Age.

Take Care

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How Deep was your search in Bible or Religions ?

by Kick50r in

how far / deep was your research on the origins of the bible or religions or most importantly the concepts (heaven -gods - immortality-etc)today many millions of people believe as the truth?.

why did these concepts existed ?.

why so many people today still believe in these concepts ?.

Kick50r

How far / deep was your research on the Origins of the Bible or Religions or most importantly the concepts (heaven -Gods - immortality-etc)today many millions of people believe as the truth?

Why did these concepts existed ?

Why so many people today still believe in these concepts ?

I strongly believe the opinions we have change, depending on the info we have in that subject at that time , so please share your opinion, and provide references if possible, so may I too learn something.

I will Kickstart

After reading the bible in more than one language, ended at Pyramid texts in Egypt Mythology (2400-2300 BC) and Epic of Gilgamesh in Sumerian Mythology(+ - 2100 BC) Wikipedia provides info on those subjects.
These were the fist written descriptions i found, read and analysed regarding immortality, hell/heaven, good/evil, God-like creatures or attributes/ resurrection / serpents and everything else

I think people were trying to understand and explain the world

I think its because they never researched were they came from, many are confused by the many religions that use those concepts in their "upgraded" versions of the Pyramid texts and Gilgamesh Epics ( Bible/Torah/Quran/Hindu writings/etc)

Take Care

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Feeling rejected

by Esmeralda001 in

just a little disclaimer: english isn't my first language (i'm from france) thus the poor writing skills.here is the situation: i'm not a jw.

however, i'm in the process of becoming one.

in fact, i'm studying with the jw's, and i'll proceed to become an unbaptized publisher as soon as i finish the first book.to make a long story short i was introduced to the truth when i was 18een.

Kick50r

Bonsoir Esmeralda ^^

You seem a well put together person. Just keep in mind that getting baptized is the same as getting in to a mud pool. It wont come off that easy. The people you think are your friends will turn they're face on you as soon as you start to think for yourself.

As someone that as well has studied and worked simultaneously I sympathize with your cause, Are you the type of person that likes to be told to do stupid and irrational things all the time without right to questions ? if so go ahead, if not get out, and make friends, REAL friends that like you for who you are , not what you believe in.

Take care of yourself because if you don't , nobody will

A toute

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Please i need guidance

by alex_Am in

i know im young.

i know i still have so much to learn i mean im only 14 but but even at a young age i have learned and i know what love is.

this is where the problem comes in.

Kick50r

Hello Alex , and congratulations for informing yourself before making decisions .Although you say you are 14 you act as a lot older.My advice to you is continue to inform yourself, so you can achieve what you want : Be happy.

Be aware , that , with your thinking mind , you are a menace to any organization that demands blind obedience, As you are only 14 you cant just move in with her or support her, and ATM , her parents decide.

BE SMART. Make your own luck. Get into a gym , Study hard, and get the best job you can. Then , if that girl is still your dream girl, fight for her without going against her parents, they love her very much , but are blinded.

All the best

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Science Will Never Contradict The Bible

by Perry in

so claims nuclear physicist

Kick50r

Since Perry seems keen on research I leave you a suggestion. Read the EpicS of Gilgamesh some of the more ancient readings that exist from ancient Sumeria. In it contains the first mentions of serpent / eternal life / hell amongst others. Its old , but that makes it right ?

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my 2 cents

by SloppyMcFloppy in

all religion is flawed because its led by man.

jw is not bad religon if it changed some of its doctrines and thoughts.

if it didnt "shun" members and "worldly people.

Kick50r

Well, ill just drop my 2 cents as well ^^.

According to Wikipedia "religion" with the meaning we are talking here only came to be recently "17 century" because before it seemed to have a very diferent meaning.

From my point of view , all religions are Very toxic to a society that wants to improve. For how can you cultivate curiosity in our children if they became to believe in lies since young age that will be the foundations of theyre thought ?

A better approach would be, for ex, to teach our children at school , the connection between Egypt mythology and the bible , or any other of the big 3 books from which derive most of todays religions.

From ancient times Day/night to modern good/evil we came a long way. NOT thanks to any religion

Happy Research

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The WTBTS predicts the I-Phone!! ???????

by DATA-DOG in

does anyone remember the recent rumors of chuck russell predicting the methods of communication that we now enjoy?

i believe he was quoting a science journal that actually made the predictions.

hmmmm...i wonder what they said about aluminium cans???

Kick50r

Im sure a blinded hunter shooting may too hit something sooner or LATER. Its called probability factor that can or not be influenced by external factors. On the other more interesting side , if it was evidence of the lord presence then, if not existent the result expected would be evidence of his absence. Though call ^^