Posts by Kick50r

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Wt encouraging people to completely forgive but they dont

by poopie in

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but they don't forgive because they still shun people.

who they feel are not worthy of forgivenes.

Kick50r

lol , of course they encourage people to FORGET. Was that not one of the reasons we have organized religion? So that justice may no longer be searched or made , but instead delayed to the "other life " ?

So that corruption / abuse /enslavement can be made freely? ( in the bible - slavery is legal and approved by God. )

For from the Religions perspective we are NOT to seek justice or fairness, instead are encouraged to "give the other face" so that one day our father in heaven bla bla bla ?

Sure , one look around and we see this forgive and forget total B.S. is ONLY for the citizens. When Citizens fail in a law does the estate / irs/ police / debt colectors / and even religious organization truly forgive? NO as we shoudnt either .

Just my humble and ignorant opinion

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Gross! Grooming of young brothers in the KH to do more for Jehobadahhh and his organ-nigh-say-shun! I saw it myself.

by macys in

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so there is this young brother probably 14 or 15 and the elders are already grooming him to do more for jehobadahhh.

most of the elders in this kh are old like 60+ and sometimes there are not enough brothers to do the mics or sound so you will see a 70 year old elder forced into action.

almost comical to see a brother who thinks instagram is an email service try to operate the sound system and projector as he plays the wrong song or brings the screen down during a prayer.

Kick50r

Happens daily. As most boys at the time we all been there .Good thing I always smiled and waved and completely ignored them.

I just think the observation " I think this elder is a pedo. Us girls just know these things " just discredits your OP .

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Would a loving creator give humans the gift of free will?

by Heisenberg in

they say ignorance is bliss... well, i wish that god did not give adam free will.

i am ok to not have free will if it means i will live forever in perfect paradisiac conditions.it has been explained that free will is a gift from god.

they say 'who would want to live life like a robot?

Kick50r

The problem surfaces really for these sort of questions when we apply logic for the outcome is not expected by religious people

If by creator we imply the god of the bible as it is portrayed and

If by free will we imply self awareness / sentient in the way we can calculate different outcomes/consequences to a decision differently from an animal then:

An all knowing god , by giving "free will" would know the outcome and ALL that came to be would be his will , including the "wars in heavens and earth"

OMG ^^

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Massive Plunge in Number of New JW Congregations from 1990 to 2014

by steve2 in

in a separate thread on the very latest figures for the current world wide annual report of jws, discussion turned to how "we'll know decline has really set in.

one of the posters said: .

the figure that interests me most is the number of congregations.

Kick50r

When they own records show that growth is not real growth, one can only imagine what the REAL records are ^^

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A cracking good JC! This is how it's done, folks.

by Island Man in

in this jc the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.

oh and by the way, do you remember what geoffrey jackson said at the australian royal commission when he was asked about an inactive jw being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday?

don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving geoffrey jackson's statements to be false!.

Kick50r

From the Watchtower perspective ,the J.C. has ONLY 2 possible outcomes which unfortunately don't include leaving people leaving they lives peacefully

1 - Person(s) in question still believe whatever they believe at the JC time ( that may change next week as new light comes out)

2 - Person(s) are D.F. if they insist on whatever contrary ideas they have even if PROVEN true

The issues were generally well presented , but ofc the "brothers" didn't had a clue/ had heard them before and wanted to delay the D.F.

Problem is the 3rd option was not available and should.

If it is an option, avoiding the JC is a right as is just ignoring you ever were a JW and just dismiss it like a BIG MISTAKE we did in the past. I personally think the elders had heard that stuff before but that has to stick to they're minds for a long time I think.

I think when a Corporation dictates LAWS that interfere with people lives negatively it is in line to lock horns with a Government that will look to tap in that discontent. No need to be wise to see the unevitable .Witch one we wait to see

All the best for the ones involved

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Have we become what we despise so much?

by Tenacious in

the majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.

upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.

again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.

Kick50r

Hello , Well since I don't despise Jw witness, including my family , but instead feel sorry for them as a whole I don't really know what to answer to that, but I understand your point of view I think and is valid.

I believe the answer depends on what people expect from this forum, on they being pleased with it, or disappointed.

Im here because I sympathize with the cause , have family in, like to read and write one in a while here.

Each one has its reason , but I wouldn't look at it as a religion which I think it was what your were doing , by comparing the 2 groups. Only outside religions can people freely speak out of theyre mind about anything, but thinking the human nature could be overcomed by all in a public forum seems a bit unrealistic to me.

I think its great when people disagree. How the hell would we move forward if everybody agreed in something Wrong?

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How will the Watchtower Cult end?

by WireRider in

some announcement of sorts?.

there are all kinds of conspiracy theories.

their head count and time cards are all faked by the gb, and "congregations".

Kick50r

Well , +I don't think either the Watchtower will end, as others that existed before, because as long there is lack of information amongst people, religions spread if we take into account history and current statistics . The more technologically / information based a society is , the less % of persons believe in religions, basically.

I don't think Watchtower will be able to morph into mainstream anymore as any other but instead try to more around in the world to prey on the LESS information based society's. At some point I imagine they will be a small group regarded somewhat odd and stuck in time by people around them. How they will pass from big now to small after I don't know if just falling in numbers evenly with the years or by some blow in the finances like taxing them or something else. Ofc the Corporation will too try to predict they're end as to avoid it.

Either way I think will not end per se , but end as we now it as in relevant surely.

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Do the Governing body really have the power some think they do?

by sherrie11 in

i mentioned this in a previous post, i feel the current gb truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file.

they are deluded in their belief that they are guardians of the doctrine.

they are suffering from cognitive dissonance just as much.

Kick50r

"Governing body" pfff . 7 wolfs in sheep cloth that irradiate ignorance and cant even keep up with the economic excel sheets are all BUT governing anything.

Personally , I think that people that lie , omit evidence , deceit, order FALSE statements to be mass printed, orders bible changes to support they doctrine ,shows disrespect for children when providing directives and don't concerns about anything that is not the perpetuation of they're life style CANNOT "truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file" AT ALL.

We are not talking of isolated people tribes in Africa.

These people have the means to analyse FACTS and react to them in the decisions they make that have consequences to MILLIONS of people around the world.

I think they are the true definition of what the society calls "bad apples" , the ones that came to be , because of EXPLOITING the lack of knowledge of others less fortunate that themsefs. I despise profoundly those kind of people, that I respect less than my cat.

Im sorry if I passed of as too aggressive , its is just a topic that boils my blood

“They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.”

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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

by slimboyfat in

recent developments make me think they might be.

the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

Kick50r

Religions generally speaking are losing believers at high rate don't matter what religion it is.

Watchtower scam only partakes of this formula at the moment.

As long as there is money flowing from society-religions may they be donations OR taxes redirected for the religions it will be hard to crack this nut. Good news is this is not a SACRED nut and I believe it WILL be cracked.

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Are JW's allowed to have close non JW friends?

by 007DB1 in

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i am a non-participating christian who is fully respectful of but never had anything to do with jw.. i have a jw friend who seems to closely follow his jw belief's.

i have met most of his family and friends who all are also jw's.

he says i am his only non-jw good friend.. he is getting married this year to his long time gf and with our recent growing more guarded and distant friendship, i am wondering what is going on?.

Kick50r

Depends on the individual tenacity I guess. They don't encourage it, disapprove it , but if you choose to do so and have a GOOD preparation, there is NOTHING they can do apart of nagging the JW witness to drop the friendship.

just a quick note

"Your friend won't be able to get married in the kingdom hall if he has any "worldly" people in the wedding"

This is not completely true as my 2 sisters were married in the K.H. where the assemblies were made at that time , and I was the best man , was present , visible and was greeted by all. OFC they said to my sisters to try and go around me , but when people want the same thing , WHAT CAN DO A IGNORANT COPORATION AGAINST THEM?