Posts by NeverKnew

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I want to send a follow-up question to my sister who has recently cut me off

by Faithful Witness in

recently, i received this email from my jw sister: .

while i appreciate the thought, please do not send us gifts.. our kids are not missing out on anything other than things we try to protect them from.. at this time, based on prior encounters and their affect on me emotionally, i think it would be best if we didn't communicate.. i hope you can understand my decision and the fact that it is not meant to offend anyone.. .

i sent her a loving and forgiving message, and know she has no intention of answering me.

NeverKnew

I will not beg, but I will not be afraid to talk to my own sister.

Thatta girl! Go back to your own pre-nearly-JW days and try to be who you'd be with a wayward sister. I probably wouldn't even acknowledge that e-mail. My brother and I go for periods where we're peeved with each other and then eventually we just get tired of being mad at each other.

Isn't playing by the cult-personality's rules playing by the cult's rules? Were you both non-JW's for some time? I believe if it were me, I'd continue interacting as though she never sent that e-mail.

But I'm annoyed today so I may not be the voice of reason.

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Pre-registration process for salvation

by NeverKnew in

so, i understand that if you are a partaking jw, you are indicating that you believe you're pre-destined for a heavenly slot and if you are a non-partaking jw, you're indicating that you're going out for the earthy deal.. what is this... a section 8 lottery?.

what makes one believe that they get to shot-call their own fate?

for those who believe in a creator, i gotta believe that if your creator tells you you're going to pluto - you're going to pluto.

NeverKnew

So, I understand that if you are a partaking JW, you are indicating that you believe you're pre-destined for a heavenly slot and if you are a non-partaking JW, you're indicating that you're going out for the earthy deal.

What is this... a Section 8 lottery?

What makes one believe that THEY get to shot-call their own fate? For those who believe in a Creator, I gotta believe that if YOUR Creator tells you you're going to Pluto - you're going to Pluto. Period.

What if you pre-register for the Earthly deal, but were pre-destined for the other and failed to partake? THEN where are you going?

I'm annoyed today.

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What are the feelings/thoughts within 24-48 hours of exposure to an undeniably true (for you) TATT?

by NeverKnew in

many of us know where we were during 9/11 or when john kennedy and martin luther king were killed.. it seems that when faced with ttatt, real truth is dismissed as "ol' light" or "an imperfect group of men" but from what i gather, many of you, at some point, were hit with a component of ttatt that shattered all of those cliches that allowed you to brush off the obvious reality that something was very wrong.

some of you may remember the hours following your earliest exposures to an undeniably true tatt.

did you zone completely out?

NeverKnew

I felt lost I was drowning in a deep void of nothingness and I felt that all systems of truth and morality meant nothing.

Statements like the above is the type of emotion I'm terrified they'll face for an extended period of time. I'm seeing phrases like "loss of identity" and Dis-member's journey that look a little frightening - especially for the gentle spirit that I know.

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What are the feelings/thoughts within 24-48 hours of exposure to an undeniably true (for you) TATT?

by NeverKnew in

many of us know where we were during 9/11 or when john kennedy and martin luther king were killed.. it seems that when faced with ttatt, real truth is dismissed as "ol' light" or "an imperfect group of men" but from what i gather, many of you, at some point, were hit with a component of ttatt that shattered all of those cliches that allowed you to brush off the obvious reality that something was very wrong.

some of you may remember the hours following your earliest exposures to an undeniably true tatt.

did you zone completely out?

NeverKnew

A friend of mine sounded completely disoriented yesterday and said they had been up until the wee hours of the morning looking over a question I had asked. This is a born-in who has been trying to show me that the WTS an honorable institution. I asked if they were okay.

"I feel... kinda ....out of sync. Just ...nevermind."

Years ago, I would have pushed for a more complete answer. I decided to leave it alone.

Given my background and seeing what it means to be a JW, TTATT would be a miracle sent from God if it were given to me. It seems that many of you liken the experience to being ripped from a much needed morphine drip.

WMF, by your screenname, I suspect you're a firecracker in real life. You and I would be hurling obscenities together. I suspect the slow seep experience of some of the others would be in line for the personality of this person; if the dissonance doesn't take over again...

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2013 WT CD Library?

by blondie in

jw
friends

will the wts be issuing one (or has issued onne already?

) or will the www.jw.org online library be the future?.

NeverKnew

Is this CD MAC compatible or do I have to bust out a PC?

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Mac Book Pro with Retina or Dell XPS 15? (both with new Haswell processors)

by Simon in

jw
friends

i've been in need of a new laptop for a long time.

no, i mean it - a really long time.

the old dell that we have has a floppy lid and is woefully underpowered although it does build up my upper body strength every time i pick it up.. the last 6 months has been a bad time to buy something new though with the haswell processors on the horizon promising better battery life and also screen technology seems to have been leaping ahead recently to a new hi-dpi standard.. so apple finally released their mac book pro and at the same time dell has released an xps 15 ultrabook which looks like a pretty good alternative and probably better 'value'.. pro's and con's?

NeverKnew

I design applications for an entity that leverages PCs. This question was often asked of me and I regularly discouraged ownership of a piece of equipment that only a small percentage of the population was using.

When faced with a buying decision, I thought it professionally worthwhile to have some familiarity with "the other" environment so in 2009 I purchased an IMac as my home computer.

I now know that I was a totally malinformed idiot. Five years later, my Imac still takes 36 seconds to go from a cold boot to surfing the net. I haven't had to invest a moment in calls to Apple, virus protection, uninstalling/re-installing software, or dealing with peripherals that didn't seem to communicate with this machine.

Congratulations on your purchase. :)

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What are the feelings/thoughts within 24-48 hours of exposure to an undeniably true (for you) TATT?

by NeverKnew in

many of us know where we were during 9/11 or when john kennedy and martin luther king were killed.. it seems that when faced with ttatt, real truth is dismissed as "ol' light" or "an imperfect group of men" but from what i gather, many of you, at some point, were hit with a component of ttatt that shattered all of those cliches that allowed you to brush off the obvious reality that something was very wrong.

some of you may remember the hours following your earliest exposures to an undeniably true tatt.

did you zone completely out?

NeverKnew

Many of us know where we were during 9/11 or when John Kennedy and Martin Luther King were killed.

It seems that when faced with TTATT, real truth is dismissed as "ol' light" or "an imperfect group of men" but from what I gather, many of you, at some point, were hit with a component of TTATT that shattered all of those cliches that allowed you to brush off the obvious reality that something was very wrong.

Some of you may remember the hours following your earliest exposures to an undeniably true TATT. What were they like? Did you zone completely out? Were you happy? Did you feel peace? Were you afraid? Did you experience the "floating" feeling that Hassan talks about? ...or does that come later.

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The Gospel Contrasted With the Watchtower Doctrine of the Ransom

by cofty in

this is an article i wrote back in '97 or '98 when i was a christian.

it is based on my personal experience of the watchtower's teachings as well as further reading of the earlier writings of russell and rutherford.. disclaimer - in my opinion, what follows shows clearly that the watchtower's doctrine of the ransom is not based on any sensible interpretation of scripture.

however i no longer believe in any version of theism.

NeverKnew

Marked

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I could do with some help please?

by chrisuk in

so the elder i studied with called round last wednesday.

i didn't tell him i'd lost my faith, i just said there are a number of reasons i wouldn't be able to return to either my studies or the meetings.

he asked me whar 2 or 3 of my reasons are so we could discuss them.. my reply: 1 i think all christians should partake of the bread and wine.

NeverKnew

I'm not a JW so I don't know what kind of response this will illicit but here's a point I'd make with respect to #3.

"Maybe you could help me out with the word "firstfruits" in Rev 14:4. After reviewing 1 Cor. 15:20-23, I'm now wondering; if Christ is the 'firstfruit' of those who have fallen asleep, who are the 144,000 'firstfruits' of? If there are 'firstfruits' shouldn't there be subsequent 'fruits?'"

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The "Assyrian", the "seven shepherds", the "eight dukes"

by bats in the belfry in

.. .. .. .

will become whatever the wtbts needs them to become.. .. once upon a time they said this:.

1943 the watchtower, april 15, page 124.

NeverKnew

For those who are making the notation, this insightful article is in the April edition of the 1942 Watchtower yearbook.

Bats... correct me if I'm wrong. :)

and thank you VERY much for finding this.