Posts by NeverKnew

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

NeverKnew

Jonza you forgot to recommend the use of non-NWT Bibles.

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If the earth is going to burn up as Born Agains teach would that make Jesus a "false prophet"?

by booker-t in

as i have mentioned here for many years there are some things i totally disagree with the wt society on but one thing i do believe they have right is that the earth is going to last forever.

one thing that has always amazed me with born agains that teach the earth is going to burn up is the scripture where jesus says "the meek will inherit the earth".

this is clear and plain and why would jesus outright "lie" about the earth if he knew it was going to burn up?

I'm starting to see that BookerT is really good at creating false dilemmas. Booker, are you actually a writer with the WTS just testing to see what has to be re-worded? Unlike what the WTS teaches, there ARE denominations that hold to there being life here on earth after Armegeddon.

If the NWT writers would stop butchering verses, one might be able to consider that there could be an argument that goes either way. At Genesis 8:22 (Torah was the highest authority of Scriptures)

Genesis 8:22

ESV: While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease

KJV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

ASV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

NIV: As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

And now we consider the NWT's updated language Bible.

NWT: From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.

The WTS does a lot of quoting from Psalms and Ecclesiastes which are a part of Ketuvim. You might learn a lot from that alone.

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

NeverKnew

Booker, you aren't serious... are you?

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They are i- Pad Nutty Now

by Poztate in

so many at my wife's hall have rushed to buy i-pads,androids etc for use in servicetm and at the hall.. most know little or nothing about how to use them but have joined the stampede to jw.org tm and the reinvention of the wtbts.. it prompted one elder at my wife's hall to have a seminar at his house to explain how to use them in service and at the hall.. how exciting.... one 80 year old pioneer woman will be there with her new toy.. as a distraction it seems to be working quite well.

no need to worry about 1914 or other issues.. they are all nuts and getting nuttier....

NeverKnew

I "study" with two people who can't even pay attention to what I'm saying. As soon as I mention a verse as a possible contradiction to what they're saying, they are jwgoogling my reference. Once, I read a verse to them from my ESV. Before they committed to a response, I was asked, "what verse is that?" I told them I wasn't saying because they weren't listening to me.

BOY was there a raucous after that! They FLIPPED!

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Doesn't the ARMAGEDDON teaching foster a MORBID view of the future?

by Black Man in

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friends

even when i was dyed-in-the-wool j-dub, i felt the armageddon teaching was one of the most morbid concepts to be hammered into the psyches of jws.

think about it, only jws would survive this catastrophe, which translates to roughly .001 percent of the population would survive while everyone else would die a horrible death.

that includes people who do good things and are good people, but are just not jws.

NeverKnew

I was at a meeting just recently where the speaker stated that the birds were going to come and eat the dead people. He went on to say that it was one of Jehovah's loving provisions. People were smiling. As a non-jw, I was creeped out by the statement then blown away by how the statement was received.

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I was wondering how "

by booker-t in

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friends

NeverKnew

So, what was the goal? What were you trying to show him? That Christ was not transformed into a spiritual body upon his return to Heaven?

I'm reading this scripture to mean that while he was on Earth, Christ as a fleshly human did not participate in corruption.

Were you arguing about whether Christ was God?

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My Elderette is returning today to CONDUCT another conversation...

by Faithful Witness in

she has had 42 years of training and indoctrination.

i'm feeling sort of nervous, but also looking forward to it.

this will be our second scheduled session together, and we never did agree on a topic.. i'm assuming she will come with an agenda and another prepared presentation.

NeverKnew

It's a hard pill to swallow given the results, but I'm realizing that the best way to know what the Witnesses are taught is to simply ask what do the churches teach, believe, practice or have symbols of and know that the WTS has figured out a way to - not just contradict it, but effectively demonize the matter. This realization is moving me to change to my approach.

Good job, Faithful!

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Amazing Experience while in the Door to Door field service.. The work really is speeding up.

by objectivetruth in

a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.

after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".

brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .

NeverKnew

marked

Love it. :)

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

NeverKnew

I think writing 1.00 is more honorable. You can hit that figure, right?

You can then appear pious by mentioning the strain your payment ...pledge ... resolved donation has become on your finances with the rest of the mumblers.

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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

by WatchTower87 in

2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.

pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

NeverKnew

I was thinking that a congregation's elders could low-ball the figure so as to easily make the minimum payment resolved donation every month. Overages could then be added to a rainy day fund. Lo and behold, this is addressed within the "surplus funds" category. Rainy day funds are "unnecessary surplus."

My understanding has been adjusted. What a loving provision.