Posts by NeverKnew

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

Things to understand about talking to a Jehovah's Witness...

by drew sagan in

please note that everything i write here is within the context of discussions between two witnesses.

conversations between a jw and non jw are different in a number of ways and so i will not be discussing them here.

the 'running ahead' fallacy.

I believe I'm the record holder for travel distance to a convention

by joe134cd in

well it was announced the other night that the new convention venue will be about a twenty hour drive away.

in that 20 hours will include at least 3 hour boat ride.

i'm guessing the cost of the boat ride + the cost of fuel would probably be about $us800 - $us 900. that wouldn't include the loss of wages for the 4 days just to get there and return.

NeverKnew

Shirley, traffic is bad on 95 but not THAT bad. :)

That's insane.

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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

by jnjburkett in

jw
friends

hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

we do about 2 bible studies a week.

JNJ... I have never been a JW and only have JW friends. They have certain cliches that are foreign to non JWs. Your language pattern has outed you. Your semantics are pure jw if anyone were to ask me. If I weren't on a tablet I could copy and paste them. There's no way you could pick up this language pattern in one months study.

I'm hoping you're sincere but....

I'm also finding it telling that you were able to use the word troll correctly in under 10 posts here. Despite surrounding the word in quotes, you used it correctly and knew enough to deny the label.

You may be sincere in your goal, but is lying is an appropiate way to bear witness? Which 1st century Christians used deceipt? I'd like to know whose model you're using.

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Christmas, Mother's Day etc etc..

by Mikado in

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friends

it's mother's day today, a lovely tradition that probably raises lots of thoughts and emotions in ex jws... i was walking around the local supermarket and remembered my family's next door neighbours, who were very intellectually disabled.. in hindsight they probably weren't able to look after themselves, as they lived in absolute squalor.. they didn't have two coins to rub together, yet they went to the effort to buy my family a card and get them a small gift.. i was newly out, and watched in absolute shame and horror as my mother said, in a very superior manner " we don't celebrate christmas", .

it's something i think of often with shame... i too was that superior... to my shame..

NeverKnew

I was once told by a gloating JW that JWs appreciate their loved ones year round.

After the explanation I responded in kind. "I'm baffled as to how one can believe that they can appreciate their Mom (Mothers Day), child (birthday), lover (valentines day), father (Fathers Day), or family (Christmas) on 364 days of a year but if an appreciation is shown on a date that everyone else customarily celebrates the same person, God will be disappointed in you? ... So if an Australian JW gives his mom a gift on an American holiday called Mothers Day, how does he get forgiveness?"

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Additional BOE Letter: Please Be Advised that Further Direction Will Soon be Sent to the Bodies of Elders...

by TTATTelder in

dear brothers:.

we are writing as a follow-up to the letters dated january 24, 2014, and march 29, 2014,. to all congregations regarding the adjustments now underway to accelerate construction of king-.

dom halls and assembly halls.. .

NeverKnew

IMHO with respect to project management, I agree with Apog. They got a flurry of calls with questions that probably made corporate realize the flaws in the way the information was presented.

Hey, maybe these brake lights that are showing up on the dashboard will help some elders realize there's a problem with the engine.

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What percentage of elders are single at the time of appointment?

by NeverKnew in

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friends

there are 4 single men who are serving as ms. all are tripping over themselves for attenttion.

do they have to marry off a ministerial servant before taking him to the next level?.

and what percentage of elders are married?

NeverKnew

There are 4 single men who are serving as MS. All are tripping over themselves for attenttion. Do they have to marry off a ministerial servant before taking him to the next level?

And what percentage of elders are married?

Guesstimate....

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

NeverKnew

Jonza you forgot to recommend the use of non-NWT Bibles.

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If the earth is going to burn up as Born Agains teach would that make Jesus a "false prophet"?

by booker-t in

as i have mentioned here for many years there are some things i totally disagree with the wt society on but one thing i do believe they have right is that the earth is going to last forever.

one thing that has always amazed me with born agains that teach the earth is going to burn up is the scripture where jesus says "the meek will inherit the earth".

this is clear and plain and why would jesus outright "lie" about the earth if he knew it was going to burn up?

NeverKnew

I'm starting to see that BookerT is really good at creating false dilemmas. Booker, are you actually a writer with the WTS just testing to see what has to be re-worded? Unlike what the WTS teaches, there ARE denominations that hold to there being life here on earth after Armegeddon.

If the NWT writers would stop butchering verses, one might be able to consider that there could be an argument that goes either way. At Genesis 8:22 (Torah was the highest authority of Scriptures)

Genesis 8:22

ESV: While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease

KJV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

ASV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

NIV: As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

And now we consider the NWT's updated language Bible.

NWT: From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.

The WTS does a lot of quoting from Psalms and Ecclesiastes which are a part of Ketuvim. You might learn a lot from that alone.

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

NeverKnew

Booker, you aren't serious... are you?