Posts by NeverKnew

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ANOTHER DISHONEST QUOTE FROM CHRIST'S BROTHERS!

by DATA-DOG in

they " evidently " have not learned their lesson.

here we go.. wt march 15th 2013. honor jehovah's great name.

1) by and large, christendom's churches have distanced themselves from god's name.

Subtle wording in today's study article (3/15/13 WT)

by leaving_quietly in

w13 3/15 p. 28 par.

"first, we must proclaim that name to others, recognizing that only those who 'call on the name of jehovah will be saved.

' (rom.

NeverKnew

BU2B: The text refers to Jesus for us non-jws. Differentiation using context clues is standard operating procedure.

Kind of like have a father and son with the same first name. To differentiate, the context of the story and even an inflection of a voice allows others to know who is being referenced or called upon.

I believe the creation of this proper noun has served the organization well which is the reason they keep jamming it down the adherents throats.

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Should I send this letter to my non-JW cousin who refuses to listen to ANY criticism of our JW relatives?

by nicolaou in

some background here; non-jw family members who are overly respectful and protective of the jw's.. i thought i might try a completely different tactic.

what are your views on my letter below?

i thought i'd let it sit with her for a couple of weeks or more before following it up .

NeverKnew

Steve is right.

I assure you, though, given our position on not condemning other's beliefs, showing your non-jw relatives how their beliefs are condemned in the WTS would actually go much further.

I had no idea JWs thought my form of worship was of Satan. I thought they just had a different perspective. Telling me I'm completely led by evil? That's a whole different level of insult!

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i'm trying to come up with "dumb householder" queries for if i'm ever graced with another door-knocking jw.. if i were to say, "are you the ones who believe in 2 gods," (in reference to christ being "a god" in john 1:1) would i get an answer other than "no"?

i'm not asking what my response subsequent to the answer should be.

i'm cheating and asking what they'll tell me off the tops of their heads since surely they've been asked this before.. .

NeverKnew

I love the honesty! I want to see where THEY'D be... I'm a little concerned about using technical terms like "monotheism and polytheism"... I may not want to come off as that smart... not sure.

Cold Steel: Is the plurality of the word "Elohim" known amongst JWs? or have you gone beyond what the WTS has written.... *ahem*

*Lost* (love your name by the way): You kinda took me to thinking about echad vs. yachid in Deut 6:4 which would take me to a request for them to explain that verse against John 10:30 using WTS doctrine/theology and making sure the Bible wasn't contradicting itself.

Julia: I'm not Catholic, but I do know that saints are not deities in Catholicism (giggling - you guys are so cute). They really aren't. There is a different post-death belief system which contributes to the naming of Saints with respect to the work they've done. Protestants and Catholic alike believe in this post-death system. Catholics and Protestants pray to both as well and ask that the Holy Spirit be sent as a guide. :) I love the "have a nice day" deflection! Would that person's address get skipped from then on?

5go: For many of "us" non-jws, angels are angels, saints are saints and NONE are considered a Diety - minor or otherwise. :) Some individuals would take offense to that.

Phizzy: If they brought up the theophanies of the Old Testament, would you then get pushed to explain? Or did you have stealth deflection techniques like Julia... LOL

I watched as the JWs skipped my house yesterday (too many steps, I guess) and realized I needed to plan my next conversation. :)

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College Update

by noni1974 in

jw
friends

so, in 2010 i recived my ged with the goal of going to college and getting a degree.

in the mean time i have been an active member of my schools honors program and have finished all of the requirements for graduation from the honors program.

they were 15 credit hours of honors classes, 12 hours of volunteer work in my community, and 16 hours of cultural activites offered by the honors program.

NeverKnew

My mothers idea of home school involved me getting a full time job and paying rent.

YIKES! OH NONI, you deserve HUGE accolades for what you've accomplished! THATTA GIRL!!!!

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Believing in Two Gods

by NeverKnew in

i'm trying to come up with "dumb householder" queries for if i'm ever graced with another door-knocking jw.. if i were to say, "are you the ones who believe in 2 gods," (in reference to christ being "a god" in john 1:1) would i get an answer other than "no"?

i'm not asking what my response subsequent to the answer should be.

i'm cheating and asking what they'll tell me off the tops of their heads since surely they've been asked this before.. .

NeverKnew

I'm trying to come up with "dumb householder" queries for IF I'm ever graced with another door-knocking JW.

If I were to say, "Are you the ones who believe in 2 gods," (in reference to Christ being "a god" in John 1:1) would I get an answer other than "no"?

I'm not asking what MY response subsequent to the answer should be. I'm cheating and asking what they'll tell me off the tops of their heads since surely they've been asked this before.

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Should I send this letter to my non-JW cousin who refuses to listen to ANY criticism of our JW relatives?

by nicolaou in

some background here; non-jw family members who are overly respectful and protective of the jw's.. i thought i might try a completely different tactic.

what are your views on my letter below?

i thought i'd let it sit with her for a couple of weeks or more before following it up .

NeverKnew

So, as a life-long non-jw, I'd like to give you my unsolicited advice. Your approach ain't gonna work.

In our world, there is a serious disdain for individuals who rail against other denominations, ESPECIALLY those under the domain name of "Christian". Romans 14 is taken quite literally.

If you want to get a non-jws attention with respect to the inner-workings of the real WTS a different approach is necessary for that which is important to JWs may not be important to non-JWs.

For starters, telling non-JWs that JWs don't see anybody BUT JWs as being loved by God ought to get some attention. LOL

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Incomplete quote in this weekends Watchtower study

by Sparlock the Wizard in

the first intro paragraph for todays wt study (may 15th, 2013 pg.

24) reads as follows:.

by and large, christendoms churches have distanced themselves from gods name.

NeverKnew

GOOD CATCH!

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Life after DF/divorce

by Freeof1914 in

i am just wondering how many here have gone through the experience of being disfellowshipped and divorced?

i am currently in that situation and sometimes i am afraid of what to expect.

thankfully i have a good core of friends, but nonetheless i still find myself somewhat nervous of what to expect in my new life.

NeverKnew

Free, I have great news...

The answer to your primary question of whether you'll find people who are willing to try to understand your issues is yes. :)

I'm a non and never have been JW and there's a few of us here - probably because of experiences with other JWs who were in our lives. Not only am I interested in those who are like you, but I am fascinated by this group who I never knew existed like this. My heart goes out to all who are facing this awakening but, because of my experiences, my hands, heart and help will be extended to anyone who crosses my path who speaks of a JW exit.

Yes, there are others like me. :)

Also, see friends as people who contribute to the expansion of your thinking and perspective who also accept yours - however flawed you may think it is. It is yours. You may be surprised to learn that most in the world are not as critically judgemental as those within this faith seem to be. Also, try not to confuse judgement with a strong opinion. Some may have a confidence that you may not have right now.

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For all my Liberal/Progressive Friends

by Jomavrick in

jw
friends

i am going to be unplugged while i gallivant around europe for a while, which means there will be one person short of holding up the conservative banner on this site.

so you can all pile on your leftist views of society, obama, health care, benghazi, irs, union thugery, socialism, redistribution of wealth, racism, sexism, gay marriage, right wing conspiracies, talk radio, fox news, wall street, the national debt, the educational system without my counterbalancing your neurotic views.

but i do love you non the less by brothers and sisters.

NeverKnew

Now Snare, I have to quote a very good friend of mine in reply to your parting shot...

He has EVERY RIGHT to be wrong.

*giggling*

Sincerely, Jomavrick, have a good time. :)