Posts by raven

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I have to vent about someone...

by babygirl30 in

jw
friends

i'm sorry if this comes across as rude or mean, but i'm sorry - not sorry!

there is a woman that was in my congregation for years.

she was dating a 'worldly' man at the time and ended up df'd.

raven

I agree with the others, she must be attempting to prove to herself that this organization isn't a bunch of BS. That's why shes figured "Hey maybe if I get a DF'd person back in then Jehovah's amazing spirit of truth is real."

If I were you and she sends another message, I would probably just stop replying.. There's no sense in talking with ones who firmly believe this is the so called truth, it's like beating a dead horse. ( it kind of sounds like she doubts, but then she stops herself and reverts back to the org being the truth, seemingly to keep herself from realizing its all a scam ) If she believes the org is the real channel through which God rules, then I would tell her to focus on herself.. Especially since she's a second timer with Disfellowshipping... LOL what a joke.

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Here's another one

by stillin in

this guy was an elder.

i'm sorry if somebody already posted this.. http://abc7.com/news/former-oc-teacher-charged-w--sexually-assaulting-teen-boy/1458295/.

anybody know him?.

raven

Good for getting authorities involved.. No need for calling him into a Judicial Committee just to get a slap on the wrist, then there would be another case in the ARC for an unreported sex crime against a child.. I bet if you showed this article to any JW they would probably say something along the lines of "He was probably under demon possession!" or "This is apostate material *shuts off computer* Can't let these false accusations disturb my loyalty to Jehovah" Yea right- How about the simple truth that this man is a real sick twisted phony.

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Poor Sisters

by Darryl in

jw
friends

i really felt for you sisters i mean i really did.

when you showed up at the sunday meeting and found out the subject of the talk was going to be -and i can't quite remember the exact wording- but something to the effect of marriage and headship, or honoring and obeying your husband, or something like that how many of you wanted to jump right back in your car and head home.

i mean 45 straight minutes of beating down you poor ladies and telling you that you are not worthy of making one decision, taking the lead in anything, don't question the man be obedient and keep quiet.

raven

Yikes seriously? I completely agree with whats been said. As far as Sam Herd's talk, I do remember him saying something also along the lines of how the women are all the "weaker vessel".

The way the org words these topics is just bizarre. Thank goodness I am out, no more dealing with misogynist elders (at least in my ex hall) eager to hear my sex experiences while calling me in for a Judicial Committee... "Now where did he touch you to be exact, was there any penetration?" * Mind you one of the elders in my JC interrogating me was also the "16 year old punk" - What a bunch of perverts.

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I got my Bethel Application approved, I start in September

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

well it took awhile.

i've downsized.

got rid of my bmw.

raven

Hmm. I'm interested in this now.. Quarterback if this is true keep us posted on the outcome. Just makes me wonder though, a Bethelite on an apostate website, certainly it was Jah's holy spirit that gifted you the highest honor of stepping foot onto precious Bethel grounds!!

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Are hot springs and saunas approved by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by jwleaks in

satan’s snares today.

in the main, satan’s tricks have not changed over the centuries.

in order for christians living in the corrupt city of corinth not to be “overreached by satan,” the apostle paul gave them strong counsel.

raven

Wait.. What? You have got to be kidding me..

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Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

by Island Man in

according to new, officially published guidelines, jws can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

i see this guideline being abused by many jws who have an axe to grind with a fellow jw.

for example, let's say sister peinindiass rubs sister sensitive the wrong way.

raven

I have a copy of the guidelines:

Friday Afternoon
Symposium : Loyally Uphold Jehovah’s Judgments

Shun Unrepentant Wrongdoers (NO_15-S.pdf)
Jehovah’s justice benefits us
Jehovah’s law given to Moses protected God’s people physically and spiritually from bad or evil influences.
The Israelites’ loyalty was put to the test by some of these laws (Dt 13:1 -11)

Since the first century Jehovah has commanded us not to seek friendship or fellowship from unrepentant ones [Read 1 Cor 5:11 -13]
Disfellowshipping is a beneficial measure even though some from this permissive world consider it an excessive/cruel/radical (W15 4/15 29-31) *** (no scripture reference here! ) ***

It helps keep Jehovah’s and his organization’s name clean. It protects us from bad associations, which includes messages from apostates or other opposers that are used to spread harmful ideas. (2Jn, 10, 11)
Disfellowshipping can help a sinner to return to Jehovah.

Loyal Christians should not associate with anyone “called a brother” and yet practices grave sin.
We have to do so even with unrepentant ones that have not been dealt by the congregation, like in the case of inactive ones.
It can be an especially tough test of our loyalty when the unrepentant sinner is a family member. We shouldn’t allow family ties to threaten our loyalty to Jehovah and his organization (w13, 1/15 15, 16 Paragraphs 16 – 20).
The following video will see how loyalty reaps benefits..
<video>

Jehovah understands the pain cause by the loss of a loved one.
Jehovah’s reaction to the rebellion of the people of Isreal helps us understand how he felt when some of his spiritual children joined Satan’s rebellion (Sl 78:40, 41; w07 1/15 17, 18)
Jehovah does not let his emotions get the better of him. He punished the Israelites severely (Sl 78:60-62)
He also took measures against rebels in the spirit realm so he could protect the rest of his heavenly family (Jud 6; Rev 12:7-9)

Respect Jehovah’s discipline
Disfellowshipping can be a painful measure, but those that accept it are seen as righteous once again by God [Read Heb 12:11) (W12 4/15 12 paragraph 16)
Let’s not let Jehovah’s discipline lose it power or effectiveness.
But,what should we do if a sinner repents and changes his ways?
Brother _____ will give the final talk in this Symposium ‘Loyally uphold Jehovah’s Judgements’ called ‘Be Forgiving’

Hope this helps..

Raven

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Elders harassing me

by raven in

hi everyone, it has been a while since i've last updated!

(refer to my previous posts for the full story) here is a quick re-cap: 2 months ago my mother found out that i am living with my boyfriend, she told me i was discovered by an "anonymous" tipper who turned me in for "living in sin".. first of all, that is nearly impossible, the congregation i was in is 100's of miles away from where i currently live.. no one would have ever known i was living with my boyfriend unless i told them, which i never did, i cut off all communication with that congregation in part of my attempted fade which was blown into pieces and discovered.. anyways, my mom tells me if i don't go to the elders and confess like a good little sheep, then she is obligated to tell them.. ( don't see why, i don't even live under her roof ) well i never went to them because why should i?

so they met with my mother and she told them i live with my boyfriend... let me remind you, this was two months ago.. i was told i was going to be df'd and that was that.

raven

Gone for Good - I looked up the Shepherding the Flock book... Interesting and complete garbage. pg. 73 states: " In deciding whether to form a judicial committee or not, the body of elders should consider the following:

- Does he still profess to be a Witness?

- Is he generally recognized as a Witness in the congregation or the community?

- Does his conduct continue to affect any other person, such as in some cases of adultery or child abuse?

- Does the person have a measure of contact or association with the congregation or association with the congregation so that a leavening, or corrupting, influence exists?

- Is the person willing to meet with a committee thus admitting accountability to the Christian congregation? "

As far as the bullet points, my answers are no, no, no, no, and no.. I no longer profess to be a Witness, I am not recognized as a witness in the congregation or the community ( inactivity ) I'm not affecting another person abusively. I don't have ANY measure of contact with the congregation. And I'm obviously not willing to meet with a committee admitting accountability to the whole congregation. None of their business.

For #42. Pretty sure only my mother, stepfather, brother and grandmother know, they are the only "family" in the org..

This is just ridiculous.- As for the letter stating to specifically meet with me on August 1st. When I get home I will dig it out of the garbage and take a picture.

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How To Spot A Cult - This is what started woke me up!!

by pale.emperor in

this is the article that woke me up.

i felt sick after reading it.

then sad.

raven

Marked... Very interesting.. I knew it was a cult but this list just solidified my knowledge of TTATT

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Elders harassing me

by raven in

hi everyone, it has been a while since i've last updated!

(refer to my previous posts for the full story) here is a quick re-cap: 2 months ago my mother found out that i am living with my boyfriend, she told me i was discovered by an "anonymous" tipper who turned me in for "living in sin".. first of all, that is nearly impossible, the congregation i was in is 100's of miles away from where i currently live.. no one would have ever known i was living with my boyfriend unless i told them, which i never did, i cut off all communication with that congregation in part of my attempted fade which was blown into pieces and discovered.. anyways, my mom tells me if i don't go to the elders and confess like a good little sheep, then she is obligated to tell them.. ( don't see why, i don't even live under her roof ) well i never went to them because why should i?

so they met with my mother and she told them i live with my boyfriend... let me remind you, this was two months ago.. i was told i was going to be df'd and that was that.

raven

@ Old hippie, I threw the letter into the trash can.. I can certainly dig it out and take a picture if you'd like..

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Elders harassing me

by raven in

hi everyone, it has been a while since i've last updated!

(refer to my previous posts for the full story) here is a quick re-cap: 2 months ago my mother found out that i am living with my boyfriend, she told me i was discovered by an "anonymous" tipper who turned me in for "living in sin".. first of all, that is nearly impossible, the congregation i was in is 100's of miles away from where i currently live.. no one would have ever known i was living with my boyfriend unless i told them, which i never did, i cut off all communication with that congregation in part of my attempted fade which was blown into pieces and discovered.. anyways, my mom tells me if i don't go to the elders and confess like a good little sheep, then she is obligated to tell them.. ( don't see why, i don't even live under her roof ) well i never went to them because why should i?

so they met with my mother and she told them i live with my boyfriend... let me remind you, this was two months ago.. i was told i was going to be df'd and that was that.

raven

@Half banana - She is already shunning me.. Shame