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  Is there a 'third' way to leave?

  by Splash in

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  once baptised, apart from death there are really just two ways to leave the congregation: df or da.. but notice this quote:.

  "does he really desire to disassociate himself, or does he simply no longer want to associate actively with the congregation?".

  - shepherd the flock of god (2010) p. 111. .

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  I can answer you as an ex-elder and someone that worked with the service department of several branches.

  This is recognizing that such a thing as fading exists. But as others have pointed, two elders will punch holes, until you say the magic words "I no longer want to associate" and this gets you into hot waters. This will depend on the elders, how well acquainted they are with JW-legalese and if they are uber-zealous nazi-elders that want to "dispose in a clean way" > means: no doubts about anyones position - either they are in or out (DA, DF'd).

  The third way pans out like this:

  - You INSIST that you want to be a Witness, you are just depressed/tired/having difficult times/.....whatever

  - They HAVE to visit you, some will do it multiple times. You have to stay in there (again: depending on the type of elders you're dealing with). The goal is to wear them out - they only have so much time/energy to devote to one single member.

  After a while they will leave you, marked as "weak one". You can show up once in a while. Move to another place.

  But this is no guarantee that you will keep ties to your family members. At least uber-zealous witnesses WILL cut ties with you - EVEN if you are still baptized - technically still a Witness - because you are weak and therefore "bad company" to them. This was the case with some of my relatives. I was still preaching/visiting the Hall, erratically, but they shunned me anyway. So, I went: "All In".
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  My wife just told me to move out...

  by nolongerconfused in

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  because of "religious" differences, she now wants me to move out and "separate"...i said what biblical grounds does she have for her request?.

  she couldnt respond...she said she'd rather be beaten up by me than have an "apostate" in the house.... this org definitely encourages conditional love.... i don't know what to do...by the way, we dont have children.

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  Sorry to hear that nolongerconfused. If you want to keep the marriage your in for a looong haul.

  I was in the same situation. Stayed 5 more years, toning down, toning up, going back to the Hall because of her. In the end I was tired and she was constantly angry at me - even if I didn't talk about TTATT or even things related to religion.

  We separated 2 1/2 years ago, divorce undergoing....we both moved out. Sad. Very tiredsome. Hurtful.
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  Were/Are you and Elder, MS, CO, Bethelite, etc.? (Please check in here)

  by El_Guapo in

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  i'm sure alot of you have noticed, the influx of new jwn members with "postitions within the cong" this is amazing, i myself am still an m.s.

  working to get removed.

  lol my wife (who has been really supportive throughout my fade) asked my why i am doing i decided to fade?.

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  Ex...

  ...MS

  ...Regular Pioneer

  ...Elder

  ...Bethel Elder

  ...Bethelite

  ...Special Pioneer

  Becoming an ex ex-JW
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  April KM Question Box: Cellphones

  by pixel in

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  check out this arriving in april:.

  what bible principles apply to the useof cell phones while attending christian meetings and sharing in the ministry?.

  for everything there is an appointed time.

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  It wouldn't surprise me with the toilet paper because the last time we met up with missionaries from Africa they said that before you go to use the washroom there's a brother and sister sitting handing out only two squares of toilet paper to each person. One for pee and one for poo

  I used to "serve" as Special Pioneer in Latin america (different countries) and at Assemblies we had to give instructions like:

  - Don't use the pissoirs at the mens room to bath your child (if you think about it, they look like little "pilot seats" where a baby fits nicely in).

  I peed my pants hearing that announcement.

  At the same Assembly Hall they had to open the sewage system, because the water pumps would jam. Full of condoms! I HAD to see that with my own eyes, as I thought the caretaker of the Assembly Hall was joking with me. Nope. It could only come from the participants of the Assembly, since this was a closed propietary system.
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  Rumor of new light on the headquarters of the WT

  by wolfman85 in

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  i read in a forum in spanish that there is a strong rumor spreading in the corridors of the wt.

  has anyone heard anything about this??

  the change that is emerging is this: the great crowd has not yet appeared, and it is a group that comes out of the great tribulation.

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  Unbelievable. These crazy GB members could turn around, drop their pants down and MOON every JW and they'd say " It's new light ! , you'll earn to love it ! " And JW's would eat it up and kiss their spiritual behinds ! If only JW's realized that the alleged " new light " is emanating from those very behinds . Peace out, mr. Flipper

  Mr. Flipper that would be more interesting than the stuff they are printing. Really. With pictures. Have the publishers underline the butts for importance.

  Seriously. How does it change the life of a regular joe dub? still going to meetings, still peddling magazines, still..........they could say that the moon is made of cheese and that they will henceforth change the name of blue to red and it would still be the same.
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  BORN-INS! What Were The Most Annoying Quotes Your Parents Would Say?

  by OneStepOut93 in

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  regarding worldly people, shows or toys?

  etc...what quotes annoyed you the most?.

  for me it was "well, you have to remember, they're worldly"... "don't trust anyone who isn't in the truth" "they may be nice but they are not friends of jehovah"... just a few to name.

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  "You will reap what you sow."

  What a stupid, fucking thing. After I left I thought about how senseless this phrase is (yes, the Bible has plenty of useless crap).

  Let's see. I should have answered:

  Answer 1: "No Mom, sometimes there is bad weather and shit and you only reap part of it."

  Answer 2: "Is that a rule? Really? A 100% RULE? Like unfalible RULE? I don't think so..."

  Answer 3: "I can sow, than destroy the field, than sow something else, than drive a tractor over it, or even sell the goddamn land."

  Answer 4: "WTF?"
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  I'm so offended by what happened today at the KIngdom Hall!!

  by Vienna Angelika in

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  so today we were late for the meeting as usual.

  this is because i take a really bad medication where i literally cannot function in the first part of the day but without it i am even worse.

  we got there near the end of the talk and it was in my opinion very anoying.

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  Supposedly Paul ressurected a guy that felt asleep during a meeting, so gawd must not be very mad at that. Just saying.

  I hope you take care of your health first. That is most important. Also, I should have gone to my car and sleep through EVERY goddamn meeting I went in the past 20 years.

  Good luck to you.
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  Why does Mark Sanderson's translator have different colored bible? Just wondering

  by Iamallcool in

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  Why does Mark Sanderson have a Bible AT ALL? He pulls stuff out of his arse, no need for Bibles. Just wondering.
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  I need prayers about Engine Out Service on my Ferrari.

  by james_woods in

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  should i do it this year - which would be the minimum five year interval, or wait until the maximum ten year interval?.

  divine guidance is needed..

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  Just to avoid some confusion here: it is not a "simple formula" where: spare parts x 4 original part costs. Some spare parts are cheaper than the original, produced on the serial line, others are even more expensive to produce. This is also due to the fact that car manufacturers have to store some parts (due to legal obligations) and others are outsourced to third party factories and produced as need arises.

  Pretty complicated stuff.

  In your case Ferrari has either to look-up if the parts are in some stock (warehousing = real estate space = expensive), or have to be hand made at the factory or have to be ordered by some contractor. Depending on shipping etc. this can be expensive or even cheaper than the original.
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  I need prayers about Engine Out Service on my Ferrari.

  by james_woods in

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  should i do it this year - which would be the minimum five year interval, or wait until the maximum ten year interval?.

  divine guidance is needed..

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  BluePill2

  james_woods, I love the idea that an apostate like you was blessed with such a beauty. What a sexy car!!!

  I can confirm your idea. I used to work for Mercedes-Benz and we calculated that if you would buy every single part of the car through After-Sales (or the spare part system) the same car would cost you 4 x the original price. This is how we would measure prices with other manufacturers. A Lexus would cost the owner almost 7 x the original price. Some manufacturers make money on the original new car, some later down the road (no pun intended)

  I will pray to the "Beautiful car gods" for you!