Posts by sf

"modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear.

sf

jw's were at my door this morn...(four times in two months...i detect a pattern here(bwahhhhhhhhhhh))

Good for them, I was in the shower!! This bit of "old light by now" sure would have been fun to throw in their faces.

sKally, "VERY NAKED APOSTATE" klass

Master Index of Zions Watchtower

by sf in

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simply a plethra of "watchtower history":.

< http://www.agsconsulting.com/links.htm.

happy trails, skally

sf

Simply a plethra of "Watchtower History":

< http://www.agsconsulting.com/links.htm

Happy trails, sKally

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Husband to meet the enemy

by Daisymay in

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i will be traveling to ca w/my husband soon.

for part of the trip, we plan to stay w/ my jw aunt and uncle.

they are very supportive of me and i'm still their favorite niece - even though i am technically "bad association".

sf

Tell them you have a computer; therefore you have already thoroughly and extensively examined this organization and have concluded that, through that research process, there is no way in hell or you could or would ever, intelliently, choose to join hands with such a factually corrupt "religion/snare and rackett".

"Hope that helps".

sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...NOT a rocket scientist!

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Creator of D&D a JW & a born again??

by Dogpatch in

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was dungeons and dragons created by two spiritual enemies?.

someone email gary gygax and ask him if he is still a jw!.

he might not answer me.

sf

An interview can be found here:

< http://www.rpg.net/252/news/13/gygax/e.html

sKally

Selections on Pseudo-Christian movements...

by sf in

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< http://members.aol.com/lettermen5/bcrrappd.html.

a portion:.

jehovah's witnesses (watchtower).

sf

< http://members.aol.com/lettermen5/bcrrappd.html

A portion:

Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower)
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*Bickersteth, Edward, The Trinity: The Classic Study of Biblical Trinitarianism (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications). 10171
"A must for gaining a grasp of the doctrine of the Trinity." -- Jay P. Green, Sr. A Christian classic.
Countess, Robert H., The Jehovah's Witnesses' New Testament: A Critical Analysis of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian Reformed Publishing Co.). D1069

"Here is a detailed look at the New Testament portion of the Bible that Jehovah's Witnesses carry, give out, and sell. They claim it is honest, unbiased, reasonable, consistent, and scholarly. Many Christians who have looked at it know there is something wrong with the translation. Now you can know for sure what is wrong." -- GCB

Gerstner, John H., Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House). D1070

Reed, David A. (editor), How to Rescue Your Loved One From the Watchtower (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House). D1071
"Reed, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and Presiding Minister, presents information that will help you plan your strategy and learn techniques that work in ministering to Jehovah's Witnesses. He will help you collect convincing evidence, present that material in the proper manner, and familiarize yourself with the necessary tools." -- GCB

Reed, David A., Jehovah's Witnesses: Answered Verse by Verse (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1986). D1072
This book is "a valuable reference tool. Each verse dealt with is cross referenced to other verses. Also included: What they believe, their Bible, and a capsule history." -- GCB

Witness Inc. and Jeremiah Films Video Tapes
http://www.witnessinc.com/Videos.htm
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Great links alive!

sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...NOT a rocket scientist!

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One World Government?

by chappy in

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one of the basic tenets of the wt org.

has been the establishment of a one world government.. you may have noticed news reports today on the g8 summit in italy and the demonstrations and riots associated with it.

there have also been lots of other public discord at some of the earlier international summits like the wto conference in seattle wash.last year.

sf

Isn't "Novus Ordo Seclorum " the words printed on U.S. paper money?

Let me see (gets a bill to look at conclusively)...

Yes! Yes, it is indeed! Amazing, isn't it?

sKally, in god we do not trust klass

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Wow!!

by sf in

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i found this entry in someones message board that has nothing to do with jws, yet i have seen something similar in my searches:.

< http://www.geocities.com/~memphismtneer/geobook.html.

the actual post:.

sf

Yes Maximus, I am well aware of at least one of those emailers. And it's appreciated.

Wow! Now how is it that you know, AS FACT, that this "poster" is mentally ill? Is that fair to label him/her? How do you KNOW? By the "words"? Words can be and are deceiving, especially on the internet. If you see mental illness here, I'd like to see a doctors report along with that STATED FACT you have made here in public.

The fact here, is YOU believe, NOT KNOW, that this person is mentally ill. Until you can prove it to ME, I will BELIEVE otherwise; until I have solidly concluded for myself...however that might be.

I advice people in the future, if the post makes you nervous upon seeing the title/subject and identity of poster (sf) (and yes, i will label them better so you can skip them over...no more WOWS) to skip by them all together.

But you will have to gag me to shut me up
on this subject.

sKally

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Does anyone have a copy?

by ozziepost in

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the september 1 issue of the watchtower quotes from the zondervan pictorial encyclopedia of the biblethes words, attributed to jeffrey burton russell:.

christendom's theologians...have by and large "dismissed the devil and the demons as superstitious relics.".

knowing that the watchtower society have mis-quoted some publications in the past, i'm interested in seeing whether this is a bona fide quotation.. can anyone help?.

sf

A tidbet on Jeffrey Burton Russell:

< http://www.stormfront.org/rpo/SATANISM.htm

A portion:

>> The theological dilemma was the subject of a book by a rather distinguished French theologian, Jean Turmel, who prudently concealed his identity under the pseudonym, Louis Coulange, when he published his work in an English translation, *The Life of the Devil* (New York, Knopf, 1930; the French original, which I have not seen, was later published under the title, *Histoire du diable*).

Father Turmel rightly attributes the eclipse of Satan in modern Christian sects to rejection of the belief in witchcraft and magic, and he wittily concludes that "Satan, cast out from the refuge which, formerly, he found with the possessed and the sorcerers, and the witches, is like the Son of Man, of whom the Gospel tells us that He had nowhere to lay His head."

Father Turmel traces the history of belief in the Devil from the standpoint of Roman Catholic theology. What is now the fundamental work on the subject is the series of four volumes by Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell, published by the Cornell University Press: *The Devil* (1977), *Satan* (1981), *Lucifer* (1984), and *Mephistopheles* (1987). (If you are especially interested in the meaning of the Hebrew word, STN which the Jews translated into Greek as __________, you may find one interpretation in Peggy Day's *An Adversary in Heaven*, published by the Harvard Semitic Museum.)

Professor Russell writes in a time in which the Jews have made the facts of race as unmentionable as were the facts of sex in Victorian literature, and he even takes some illustrations from their vicious fictions about a "Holocaust" and assumes, as do well-trained Americans, that God's Race are persecuted innocents, by definition incapable of the crimes they are known to have committed. This concession to the inculcated ignorance of the American public is a blemish that should not make us underestimate the authority of his historical scholarship.

He begins by identifying evil as the conscious infliction of unnecessary pain on sentient beings, including, of course, the animals to whose suffering Christians were made hard-hearted by the notion that Yahweh created soulless dumb brutes for the use of talking anthropoids.

The crucial point is that the infliction of suffering must be intentional, i.e., malicious--a point often obscured by a refusal to recognize that the suffering of beings whom we Aryans compassionately pity (e.g., a caribou pulled down by a wolfpack, a wounded wolf, a starving child in India) is simply a fact of nature, and that, if you, like sentimental "Liberals," find that fact distressing, all that you can do is lament that you got yourself born in the wrong universe.

Evil, therefore, is limited to human beings, for no other species of animal inflicts unnecessary pain on the animals it kills to nourish or defend itself, or finds satisfaction in their suffering. And if Professor Russell had not been limited by the reticence imposed by our Jewish masters, he would doubtless have noted that the moral perception of evil is, for all practical purposes, limited to our race--not all persons of Aryan ancestry, but those whose genetic inheritance we, if intelligent, would strive to perpetuate.

And a bit more:

>> Evil is peculiarly and exclusively human, but what is bizarre, to our minds, at least, is a god of evil.

Although Professor Russell had to write within the limitations that the Jews impose on their subjects, two facts emerge clearly from the historical and almost philosophical discussion in his first volume.

1. No Aryan religion conceives of a god of evil. Our religions are relatively rational and polytheistic, recognizing the diversity of the forces that govern human life and are often in conflict with each other. There are gods who personify the forces of nature and, like storms and tidal waves and earthquakes, reck nothing of the convenience, safety, or wishes of human beings. There are gods who represent the tropisms that are inherent in human nature, such as sexual attraction and ambition, which are often opposed to each other. There are gods who, in their youth, exhibit children's pleasure in mischievous sport. There are gods who, like mortal kings, protect and aid their favorites, and, when angered, strike down the insolent and insubordinate. But the Aryan does not conceive of diving malice and sadism, for their gods are not unnatural. Fire is not evil when it destroys a city and perhaps accumulated and irreplaceable treasures.

2. It is astonishing, therefore, that a god of pure evil was first created by a man who seems to have been an Aryan, the prophet whose name, of obscure etymology and variously spelled in the original texts, usually appears in English as Zarathustra or in the form it was given in the time of Hellenism, Zoroaster.

So far as is known, it was he who, probably while having hallucinations excited by the sacred mushroom (Amanita muscaria), invented the grotesque conception of a world dominated by two great gods, one of good and the other of evil, whose powers are equal as they fight each other for suzerainty over the world, for they as so evenly matched that each needs the trivial help that can be given him by puny mortals. The two gods are engaged in perpetual war for possession of the universe, although Zarathustra's religion, with an almost pathological disregard of simple logic, absurdly knows that the ultimate victory of the good god is assured, no matter what happens.

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There is much more on Russell and his views of evil (hahahaha"russell and his views of evil", did i say that?)...and is this "PROfessor" a relative of Charles Taze Russell? Perhaps a search will conclude this for me. (the keywords in my search: Jeffrey Burton Russell Illuminati...27 pages i think it is, as results)

I encourage most to read the entire page. It is a good "read"!

Happy Trails!

sKally

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One World Government?

by chappy in

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friends

one of the basic tenets of the wt org.

has been the establishment of a one world government.. you may have noticed news reports today on the g8 summit in italy and the demonstrations and riots associated with it.

there have also been lots of other public discord at some of the earlier international summits like the wto conference in seattle wash.last year.

sf

And I'd like to add here saying that years ago we didn't know what we know now re: the criminal corruption of the WTBTS simply because we could NOT access what we are very able to access now; VIA THE INTERNET.

I see this with everything, we as a national society, have been KEPT IN THE DARK about; VIA THE INTERNET. Short of going to the local library, we now have education, facts, data, dates, etc. concerning history and perhaps (I use that word loosely) secrets that never were before ACCESSED, at our fingertips! And THAT'S a beautiful thing. Individually, we can now learn more then we ever could or would in the past. And I plan on embracing that phenomenon intensely.

Happy trails!

Sincerely, sKally