many that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.
somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".
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The claim that there is no human leader.
Oddly, and sinisterly, this is used as an excuse for why the organization can not be held accountable for all of the times it has been wrong and all of the people that have been hurt. It also justifies why what the religion teaches is always "the truth," even when it's wrong.
it's pretty easy to see how current events would have any jw convinced the end is imminent, but i just don't see how there could be a major push for zealous service, pioneering, etc.
decades into the future.
even if (when) world events happen periodically that could scare the r&f, there are now countless hours of hd video of jw leaders saying how close the end is.
It raises the interesting question of what new light will come out along the way.
- When Jesus implied that one generation can be expanded into two overlapping generations, he evidently meant that each of the overlapping generations can also be its own set of two overlapping generations. How will YOU spend your time in the remaining months before the end of this set of overlapping generations in preparation for the beginning of the next set of overlapping generations?
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it's pretty easy to see how current events would have any jw convinced the end is imminent, but i just don't see how there could be a major push for zealous service, pioneering, etc.
decades into the future.
even if (when) world events happen periodically that could scare the r&f, there are now countless hours of hd video of jw leaders saying how close the end is.
YEAR 2051 - SOME KINGDOM HALL SOMEWHERE
"...and friends, what do we learn from the display of faith on the part of our dear brothers and sisters who lived through the COVID-19 pandemic? They knew that they were living in the final part of the final part of the days- shortly before the last day of the last days. That was 30 years ago. Just think about how much closer that makes us, today!"
1. when individuals leave the organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that god is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.
when people leave another christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.. 2. when a christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.
when a jehovah's witness lies, he is proving his loyalty to jehovah and fulfilling his sacred obligation to engage in spiritual warfare.. 3. during times of rapid growth the organization claims this is evidence of gods approval as he "speeds it up in his own time".
The organization is rife with double standards. The list of how this manifests is never ending.
When another religion teaches things that are untrue, that's evidence that it is a false religion. Which means they are worshipping Satan. Which means they will be destroyed in the great tribulation. LEAVE THIS RELIGION ASAP!!!
When JWs teach things that are untrue... the brother's are imperfect, but they are trying their best. The light gets brighter. DON'T LEAVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
We should be deeply concerned about any facet of modern life that has its origin in occult and pagan practices, and take care to avoid it. It doesn't matter if nobody has associated it with the occult or paganism for thousands of years, you must stay away from it lest you allow Satan and his demons a way in!
Also, pay no attention to the fact that WT doctrine was originally based on the occultic practices of numerology and pyramidology. In fact, let's just keep this between us, ok? No need to scare away Bible studies by letting them know our true history.
so i was watching an evans video he just put out where he was interviewing a man about how the cult treated his daughter who was rapped as a criminal.
the man said his wife's first experience with an apostate site was here.
i could tell by the look on his face he did not like that site and then could not help himself and said that he could not recommend going to this site.
I don't know anything at all about Lloyd's history with this site. I'll have to grab some popcorn and look over the links Simon posted. I do have a couple of observations that might be somewhat relevant here.
First, this is a website that is open to everyone, and it shows in just how high its highs are and how low its lows are. Read the wrong thread on the wrong day, and you'll see half a dozen lunatics screaming complete conspiratorial nonsense at one another over esoteric minutia. If you want to cherry pick several of those threads, you could support the notion that this website is overrun with sociopaths. That's just the nature of free speech- the more voices you hear, the greater volume of both good and bad wind up in the mix and you can easily cherry pick whatever impression you're inclined to make.
Second, Lloyd is squarely mainstream Left his politics. This board isn't squarely mainstream left in its politics. That's all I'll say about that.
I like this forum and I like Lloyd's content. It's ok if they are at odds with one another- they can separate themselves from one another and fight the common enemy on different fronts.
i was talking to my sister in law the other day about death, and i mentioned something about the afterlife, i don’t remember what i said but it was nothing shocking .
but she squealed, “we don’t believe in the afterlife!
!” and i reasoned, well we kinda do...life after death is the after life..and she just insisted no no it’s not the same thing.
Evolution.
Covid-19 is changing, mutating, adapting, developing new strains but GOD NO IT'S NOT EVOLVING, DON'T SAY THAT!!!!
sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
First priority when you realize you're in an abusive relationship is to LEAVE that relationship. What you do next is none of the abuser's business, nor the business of anyone who thinks you can't do better.
i used to read this site everyday for years!
i am still learning to be ex ex jw.
did i miss any big news, etc?
Not sure if you heard this yet, but it's come to light that Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.
Also, a new rule. It is required that all pillows at Bethel be fully covered with modest pillow cases, so as to not bring single brothers into temptation.
i'm doing a little background research for a novel.
what is the craziest thing you heard a witness say was demonized, and what did they do about it?.
My uncle thought it was impossible for David Blane to perform any of his tricks without the help of demons.
I knew a JW who, upon seeing a Luna Month for the first time in his life, was convinced he saw a demon.
My cousin, from the non-JW side of the family, had her Link to the Past SNES cartridge thrown out by her non-relative JW babysitter because the babysitter found out the game had magic and wanted to protect the family from demons.
Seems like everyone had at least one encounter with a demon in their lives.
Garage door opened on its own? Demons.
Alarm clock didn't go off? Demons.
Drunk driver? Demons.
Broken car windows? Demons.
Theory of Evolution? Demons
Ancient aliens? Ancient demons!
Wind chimes? Demons.
Insane Clown Posse? Demons.
That last one I agree with, though.
in a recent turn of events, i found myself at a jw social gathering on zoom (supporting my pimi wife, while among mostly jws whom i don't know and a handful of old friends who don't know i'm inactive) that just so happened to also be joined by garrett losche and his wife.
sorry to disappoint but i had absolutely no interaction with him and have nothing interesting to report about it.
i'm just sharing this because i can't believe i even got that close to maybe chatting with him, despite being a closeted apostate.. there were about 300 people in the zoom meeting, all having been directly invited.
@fffghost
It wasn't a meeting or anything official. It was a gathering to celebrate a certain thing a certain person did. Losche wasn't a part of the festivities, he was just a guest like me.
