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  If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?

  by Rocketman123 in

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  many that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.

  somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".

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  Another thought came to mind.

  The belief in a paradise earth is well and good. However, using that belief as rationale for not trying to improve your community and world now is a miserable and hurtful teaching. If God is going to take care of everyone in the future, then that only leaves us humans to take care of each other now.

  Not to be forgotten is how unfair it is to expect people to hedge all of their life's bets on a future new world that we can't verify is true until we're already there. There is much more evidence that the world we currently live in is palpably, tangibly real than there ever could be that a future new world awaits or that one is even possible.

  Why is it so wrong, even for people of faith, to live the one life we're currently living to the fullest? Then let the paradise come, if it will come, and let eternal nonexistence come, if it will come. That is, in fact, EXACTLY what the Bible tells us to do. (Ecclesiastes 9:10)
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  If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.

  somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".

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  The claim that there is no human leader.

  Oddly, and sinisterly, this is used as an excuse for why the organization can not be held accountable for all of the times it has been wrong and all of the people that have been hurt. It also justifies why what the religion teaches is always "the truth," even when it's wrong.
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  Will there be a sense of urgency in 30 years?

  by neat blue dog in

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  it's pretty easy to see how current events would have any jw convinced the end is imminent, but i just don't see how there could be a major push for zealous service, pioneering, etc.

  decades into the future.

  even if (when) world events happen periodically that could scare the r&f, there are now countless hours of hd video of jw leaders saying how close the end is.

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  It raises the interesting question of what new light will come out along the way.

  - When Jesus implied that one generation can be expanded into two overlapping generations, he evidently meant that each of the overlapping generations can also be its own set of two overlapping generations. How will YOU spend your time in the remaining months before the end of this set of overlapping generations in preparation for the beginning of the next set of overlapping generations?

  - We deeply thank our creator, Jehovah for revealing to us the true meaning of his word, the Bible through our new publication "What does the Bible Really, Really, Really, Really Teach? No, Seriously, This Time, We Really, Really Got it Right." Is it not exciting to finally be able unlock the divine secrets of biblical types, antitypes, prototypes, stereotypes, teletypes, astrotypes, wumbotypes, ninatypes, pintatypes and the santamariatypes?
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  Will there be a sense of urgency in 30 years?

  by neat blue dog in

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  it's pretty easy to see how current events would have any jw convinced the end is imminent, but i just don't see how there could be a major push for zealous service, pioneering, etc.

  decades into the future.

  even if (when) world events happen periodically that could scare the r&f, there are now countless hours of hd video of jw leaders saying how close the end is.

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  YEAR 2051 - SOME KINGDOM HALL SOMEWHERE

  "...and friends, what do we learn from the display of faith on the part of our dear brothers and sisters who lived through the COVID-19 pandemic? They knew that they were living in the final part of the final part of the days- shortly before the last day of the last days. That was 30 years ago. Just think about how much closer that makes us, today!"
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  Having It Both Ways

  by Sea Breeze in

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  1. when individuals leave the organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that god is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.

  when people leave another christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.. 2. when a christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.

  when a jehovah's witness lies, he is proving his loyalty to jehovah and fulfilling his sacred obligation to engage in spiritual warfare.. 3. during times of rapid growth the organization claims this is evidence of gods approval as he "speeds it up in his own time".

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  The organization is rife with double standards. The list of how this manifests is never ending.

  When another religion teaches things that are untrue, that's evidence that it is a false religion. Which means they are worshipping Satan. Which means they will be destroyed in the great tribulation. LEAVE THIS RELIGION ASAP!!!

  When JWs teach things that are untrue... the brother's are imperfect, but they are trying their best. The light gets brighter. DON'T LEAVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

  We should be deeply concerned about any facet of modern life that has its origin in occult and pagan practices, and take care to avoid it. It doesn't matter if nobody has associated it with the occult or paganism for thousands of years, you must stay away from it lest you allow Satan and his demons a way in!

  Also, pay no attention to the fact that WT doctrine was originally based on the occultic practices of numerology and pyramidology. In fact, let's just keep this between us, ok? No need to scare away Bible studies by letting them know our true history.
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  Why did Lloyd Evans say in one of his latest video

  by mickbobcat in

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  so i was watching an evans video he just put out where he was interviewing a man about how the cult treated his daughter who was rapped as a criminal.

  the man said his wife's first experience with an apostate site was here.

  i could tell by the look on his face he did not like that site and then could not help himself and said that he could not recommend going to this site.

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  I don't know anything at all about Lloyd's history with this site. I'll have to grab some popcorn and look over the links Simon posted. I do have a couple of observations that might be somewhat relevant here.

  First, this is a website that is open to everyone, and it shows in just how high its highs are and how low its lows are. Read the wrong thread on the wrong day, and you'll see half a dozen lunatics screaming complete conspiratorial nonsense at one another over esoteric minutia. If you want to cherry pick several of those threads, you could support the notion that this website is overrun with sociopaths. That's just the nature of free speech- the more voices you hear, the greater volume of both good and bad wind up in the mix and you can easily cherry pick whatever impression you're inclined to make.

  Second, Lloyd is squarely mainstream Left his politics. This board isn't squarely mainstream left in its politics. That's all I'll say about that.

  I like this forum and I like Lloyd's content. It's ok if they are at odds with one another- they can separate themselves from one another and fight the common enemy on different fronts.
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  Banned words in the organization

  by Addison0998 in

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  i was talking to my sister in law the other day about death, and i mentioned something about the afterlife, i don’t remember what i said but it was nothing shocking .

  but she squealed, “we don’t believe in the afterlife!

  !” and i reasoned, well we kinda do...life after death is the after life..and she just insisted no no it’s not the same thing.

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  Evolution.

  Covid-19 is changing, mutating, adapting, developing new strains but GOD NO IT'S NOT EVOLVING, DON'T SAY THAT!!!!
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  If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?

  ' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?

  ' what do you folks say?.

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  First priority when you realize you're in an abusive relationship is to LEAVE that relationship. What you do next is none of the abuser's business, nor the business of anyone who thinks you can't do better.
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  Did I miss any big news?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i used to read this site everyday for years!

  i am still learning to be ex ex jw.

  did i miss any big news, etc?

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  Not sure if you heard this yet, but it's come to light that Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.

  Also, a new rule. It is required that all pillows at Bethel be fully covered with modest pillow cases, so as to not bring single brothers into temptation.
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  Research question

  by JeffT in

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  i'm doing a little background research for a novel.

  what is the craziest thing you heard a witness say was demonized, and what did they do about it?.

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  My uncle thought it was impossible for David Blane to perform any of his tricks without the help of demons.

  I knew a JW who, upon seeing a Luna Month for the first time in his life, was convinced he saw a demon.

  My cousin, from the non-JW side of the family, had her Link to the Past SNES cartridge thrown out by her non-relative JW babysitter because the babysitter found out the game had magic and wanted to protect the family from demons.

  Seems like everyone had at least one encounter with a demon in their lives.

  Garage door opened on its own? Demons.

  Alarm clock didn't go off? Demons.

  Drunk driver? Demons.

  Broken car windows? Demons.

  Theory of Evolution? Demons

  Ancient aliens? Ancient demons!

  Wind chimes? Demons.

  Insane Clown Posse? Demons.

  That last one I agree with, though.