Posts by Spiral

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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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the fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.

watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!

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Spiral

I don't think they are going to fold any time soon, but I'm hoping that what's left is less charged up about going after people who want to leave. I know the vitriol that's coming out of JW.Borg, but here in this area, the pubs are just worn out. Local second language congregation is folding. No one is going after the faders. People are in contact with DF/DA family. ("Don't ask, don't tell" is the rule of the day.) That in itself is a relief. Sure hoping that trend gets traction throughout the bOrg. It's one thing the whip the horses in videos to go after "lost ones" and shun DF'd people, it's another thing to actually make it happen. I'm hoping that people who are being mistreated by their JW families will finally get some relief.

I think over time they'll become just another TV church with some dedicated followers, a few hangers-on, and much less visibility on the street.

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Greenland For Sale

by Poztate in

the donald has recently suggested that he would like to look into buying greenland from denmark in the same manner that alaska was purchased from the russians.

i think the danes would be smart to look into selling it as it is costing them money every year with very little returns for their investments so far.. the alternative might well be that donald declares greenland a national security threat and invades them so that the world remains safe for democracy.

i would suggest to the danes that as any other real estate transaction that they put it on the open market and see how much russia or china are willing to offer .

Spiral

The Donald seems to think everything is for sale, just like what little may be left of his soul is.

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NY Legal Floodgate Opens, Hits Watchtower and Boy Scouts

by GLTirebiter in

an article at churchmilitant.com [known for hard-core catholicism] discusses lawsuits filed against jw.org and the bsa as soon as new york's child victims act opened a one-year suspension of the statute of limitations.

the attorney cited in the article, irwin zalkin, has a track record of success against catholic dioceses.. "now most of you have probably heard about priest abuse and clergy abuse within the catholic church," said zalkin.

"but the jehovah's witnesses have been flying a little bit under the radar.".

Spiral

@GLTirebiter, do you know why the New York Times hasn't given coverage to Mr. Zalkin's lawsuits yet? Or have they, and I'm just not seeing it?

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What Biblical message should be proclaimed now according to Jesus himself ?

by Alex Williams in

this is what jesus said.

matt 24-14.

14 and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.. looking at this verse what is the central theme?

Spiral

Religion is a snare and a racket!

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Can this be true: GB to court - NBC ??

by Festus in

is this a bad joke or "fake news"?.

nbc new york is claiming "attorneys are expected on monday to announce the filing of lawsuits in king's county supreme court against eight members of the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.".

eventhough i would enjoy to see this happen i am very suspiciouse concerning nbcs reliability with this case.. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/happening-today-nj-water-cosby-appeal-epstein-probe-536740491.html.

Spiral

We used to be taught that the bOrg would be persecuted, but that would be persecution based on righteous reasons, that they were God's organization and that the worldly rulers (and Babylon the Great) would hate that they had God's approval.

This is different. They are being "persecuted" because there is so much child sexual abuse in the organization, covered over and allowed for years. THAT is not a valid reason to say you are being persecuted because you are following God's commands.

Just sayin'

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Real Estate / Legal Question re: KH Sales / Title Transfers

by RubaDub in

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sorry about being a bit lazy and not researching this myself but when there is a real estate sale, as far as i know, this is public information and on record ( at least in most areas i am aware of).. a kh sale would be a public record.. but when a real title is transferred, isn't this public information also?

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i ask this question because there seems to be some questions here that the publishers did not know the title of their kh had been transferred to the big borg.. any thoughts on this.. rub a dub.

Spiral

Consult your county's online tax records (in the US).

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Last Thursday's Meeting in Elmira, On

by newsheep in

i had gotten a phone call from a brother who was really upset.

he said there was a resolution passed that everyone is in agreement to the selling of the elmira hall.

the strange thing is at the congregation picnic an elder told him that a few years ago the deed to the hall was signed over to the org.

Spiral

@Vidiot, that is no surprise. It just makes sense. And while we know they have a big construction project going on in Argentina, I wonder what else they might be building or purchasing, under a different name.

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Last Thursday's Meeting in Elmira, On

by newsheep in

i had gotten a phone call from a brother who was really upset.

he said there was a resolution passed that everyone is in agreement to the selling of the elmira hall.

the strange thing is at the congregation picnic an elder told him that a few years ago the deed to the hall was signed over to the org.

Spiral

Yes, what I'm seeing is that most JWs have their head in the sand. There are many questions about finances right now, but they are just whispers. Most are still towing the line and cooperating.

I too suspect that the powers that be (the GB and/or their business managers) are moving significant amounts of money to safe havens. The publishers don't have any idea what is really happening to their money but they don't even seem to know how to ask. This is the stuff the modern JW organization is built on.

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Article: Window for Child Victims Act sex-abuse lawsuits opens Wednesday: What it means

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/08/window-for-child-victims-act-sex-abuse-lawsuits-opens-wednesday-what-it-means.html on friday, attorney irwin zalkin held a news conference in manhattan announcing that two alleged victims, heather steele and michael ewing, will file lawsuits in state supreme court in brooklyn on wednesday.

the lawsuits will name as defendants eight members of the governing body of the jehovah’s witnesses (jws).

now located in tuxedo park, n.y., the jws world headquarters occupied a building with a large watchtower sign in brooklyn.

Spiral

Barbara, there is no way to adequately express just how valuable and amazing the work you do is. Thank you for posting this, I'm sure we'll all be watching for news. I hope that naming the GB as defendants will prove to be a turning point in favor of all JW CSA victims.

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November 2019 Watchtower - My highlights

by The Fall Guy in

'the watchtower november 2019 study articles quoted below can be summed up as follows:.

the great tribulation is near, so become more entrenched in the cult by strengthening friendships with other jw's, by revealing your thoughts to them, by doing more for the org, and by refusing to listen to any upsetting reports about the org in the media or on the internet.. par.

19, page 7 - we must be determined to build and maintain strong relationships with our brothers and sisters now.

Spiral

@FedUpJW, wow, that is actually a lot of money to a lot of JWs in the US. A family of three would have to donate $522 a year. Not a lot of money, unless you are already sitting at or just above the poverty line in the US. Plus add in the cost of gas for service, hotels at conventions, etc.

Is this tithing?

But wait - if I ask that to the JWs I know, they'll just think (especially after this article) I'm an apostate trying to ruin their hope of paradise. Sheesh!