Contrary to the accepted image of the WTBTS as builders of faith in the Bible, their use of Biblical examples of Apostacy as defense for their child abuse record actually undermines faith in the Bible by showing that the book can be used to manipulate the conscience of Believers. Neither God nor the Bible are protecting Jehovah's Witnesses from this latest manuever by the WTBTS. Why won't the WTBTS just deal with the facts at hand? Why bring in the authority of the Bible? Apostacy!!! Suddenly, according to the WTBTS, there is a mass Apostacy just like the Apostacies of old times . Accordingly, the accusation of child abuse "cover up" is part of the apostacy. This lying strategy has worked for the WTBTS in the past but it will not work this time. Because of Silentlambs and forums like this one, information on child abuse will continue to be made public When the facts become common knowledge and the WTBTS is forced to recant publicly,then the Believers will have to rethink their faith in God and the Bible. They will ask "How could God let me make such a mistake?" At that time the selfish WTBTS will be seen for what it is, an organization that underrmines faith in God and the Bible for its own protection.
Siddhashunyata
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WTBTS-UNDERMINES FAITH IN THE BIBLE
by Siddhashunyata incontrary to the accepted image of the wtbts as builders of faith in the bible, their use of biblical examples of apostacy as defense for their child abuse record actually undermines faith in the bible by showing that the book can be used to manipulate the conscience of believers.
neither god nor the bible are protecting jehovah's witnesses from this latest manuever by the wtbts.
why won't the wtbts just deal with the facts at hand?
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JW's In The NEWS
by proplog2 incourt ruling again places jehovah's witnesses as 'patriotic citizens' by shawn francis peters
last updated: july 20, 2002
the u.s. supreme court ruled last month that an ohio village could not require religious proselytizers and political canvassers to obtain a municipal permit before they took to the streets.. in an 8-1 decision, in the case of watchtower bible and tract society vs. village of stratton, the high court held that applying the village's licensing ordinance to such activities violated constitutional protections of free speech.. the most curious aspect of the supreme court's ruling in stratton was a brief concurring opinion authored by justice antonin scalia.
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Siddhashunyata
Scalia addressed the motives of Jehovah's Witnesses which are anti-patriotic and anti-First Amendment . He sees what we see and calls the Witnesses perpertrators of a "fairy tale", another way of saying they are liars.
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Theocratic Warfare at my house part 3, the end
by freeman inthank you all who responded to my earlier post, i am pleased to say there has been a major development.
just twenty minutes ago i was sitting at the piano and my wife comes up to me and says, "i talked to the brothers, you were absolutely right, i apologize, he (my minor son) will never go to the meetings again".
i sat there in stunned shock both happy and sad at the same time.
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Siddhashunyata
Freeman, do not be misled . Estrangement (withdrawal of feelings) is what you are dealing with in your marriage. Your posts reveal that you have not lost your feelings for your wife in fact, you regret having to resort to such methods to get her cooperation.The challenge will be how to "reconnect" emotionally with one another. She must somehow come to understand why you are so opposed . This would clarify why you are behaving as you are and she would appreciate that your motives are pure. Unfortunatly the WTBTS declares your motives impure while telling her she must listen to you. She is in a "psychic vice" and she cannot stay there very long. Advice: Try to get outside counseling. If you do not counter the estrangement she will grow to dispise you and the elders will not warn her of that spiritual danger but they will encourage her to stay close to the organization that shrewdly is declaring you "wicked".
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Joe Anderson Disfellowshipped
by silentlambs in8-1-02, addition to 7-31-02 press release .
joe anderson-disfellowshipped!
jehovahs witness child advocate.
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Siddhashunyata
If there is not a public outcry against the WTBTS then they will suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of there own members. Hypocrisey is rampant among their youth and soon halfhearted defenses will not placate older thinkers in their ranks. The spirit is dying altogether because of WTBTS "trickiness". Can you imagine trying to manage these congregations when they secretly know the game is "image". The WTBTS are cowards hiding behind the First Amendment. What a mockery they make of honor. They are destroying the very "ideal" that germinated loyal obedience in the first place.
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Human behavioral reason behind present WTS crisis?
by Derrick inhalfway through the article scientists unsure what triggers stranding -- illness, perilous coast may be factors (link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/31/mn185450.dtl) the thought occurred to me, what if there are complex human behavioral reasons beyond anyone's control behind the jehovah's witnesses organization's rapid moral disintegration?
the above quoted article reads in part:.
"the mass stranding of pilot whales on cape cod was probably a natural event, marine biologists said tuesday, an accident linked to tight social groupings and the perils of navigating a rugged coastline.
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Siddhashunyata
Does any one remember the faces of the Russian peasants and working class citizens when they were given the opportunity to think and express themselves in order to establish some form of democracy? They looked and sounded like Jehovah"s Witnesses rank and file. It appeared to be humility but closer inspection revealed that they were disoriented. To them, thinking and expressing themselves was new and..............strange! Late 1980's. Did anyone else notice this?
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Appeal Letter 7-29-02
by silentlambs indraffenville congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
judicial committee elders of:.
murray congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
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Siddhashunyata
Bill, its hard to believe that someone on the Governing Body hasn't seen that protecting children has priority over forgiving "repentent" molesters. You are on the side of the children. They,at best, are on the side of a possible repentent sinner. What becomes apparant is that they refuse to understand that you are responding to your conscience just as they are responding to theirs. What other course could you follow? What is sad is that they do not respect your conscience . To know this about the Governing Body should strike fear into the hearts of all sincere Jehovah's Witnesses. Look how far they are willing to go to crush you. Your appeal is courageous and they again have an opportunity to act honorably. It would be heart warming if they would invite you meet with them, giving these issues the attention they deserve with a view to making peace. It would be an appropriate time for them to take the lead and show the world a thing of "Beauty". Your appeal gives them that opportunity.
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HELP!!!! I NEED FEEDBACK PLEASE!!!!
by Prisila ini really need your feedback .
i am really down on the dumps regarding being shunned and torn apart about da (i haven't yet).
a week ago i wrote to dr. phil on oprah and wrote briefly about jw practices on shunning.
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Prisca, if you decide to go on the show you could do a world of good by trying to get the show expanded to include the "child abuse " issue and the silencing of Bill, Barbara and the Pandelo"s. It would put the focus on how the practice of "shunning" can be used to support evil as well as tear apart families .
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Jeremia dillema
by happy man ini find this link, http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1990/4/4jerem90.html.
very intresting, can someone here give a comment on the issu, do we have major differenses from masoretic, and septuagintian text, contra what they find in dead see, cave 4, abaout jeremia, read and comment please.. when i show this on a swedish exjw site they dont want to read it,this was propaganda from us men who dont belive in the lord they say, sound very familier to what jw say, whay shall we read what apostates say?, ???.
littel disturbing fore mee, hope i have more respons here.
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Whatever the true identity of "Happy Man", he has posted an article that is helpful to all objective "seekers" . The inerrancy doctrine is the root of much bloodshed and suffering. It is only a matter of time before its subscribers must face a personal religious crises and rebuild their "world view" on firmer ground.
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WANT IT BOTH WAYS
by Perry inwhen individuals leave the organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that god is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.
when people leave another christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.
when a christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.
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Thank you perry. Great sum up !
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Does the society cast doctors in a bad light?
by sleepy in.
does the society cast doctors in a bad light?.
i'm asking this as i feel that jehovahs witnesses often blame doctors or feel they are not doing their job properly if they wont operate without blood.i feel these negative attitudes toward doctors came from the society, but i'm not sure if it was through publications, rather through talks on assemblies and by circut overseers.. there seems to be an attitude that if a doctor cant operate without blood , he cant be a very good doctor.. what really annoyed me though is that children were taught that having a blood transfusion was like being raped.this is a disgusting attitude to show and teach, and i was vocal about this.. the doctor is there to save lives, to teach that he is like a rapist if he thinks giving blood is the best way to do so , makes me very angery.. are any of these things in print , or was the society clever enough to only teach these things by word of mouth?
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Siddhashunyata
The WTBTS loves to be viewed as the guardians of all knowledge and expertise . The Organization is a descendent of the exploitive "priestcraft" that , at all times, has claimed to be the mouthpiece of God while the truth is that every individual has a direct line to the Divine. It is the knowledge of individuals that is bringing down this exploitive ediface. From Pythagorus , Buddha, and numerous other individuals down to our day , humanity is being liberated by ideas and workable knowledge that is beyond the control of any exploitive organization . The WTBTS is against all other sources of insight that might take adulation away from them. This has been apparent from their beginning and from their reluctance to accept any authority unless they somehow get credit for recognizing its validity. All fields serve as examples of this exploitive arrogance : Pschology, Education ,Medicine, History etc. You name it and they , The WTBTS , somehow has the best and last word. But the internet is putting an end to all this and it represents still another advance coming from individuals .