Good catch and observations. I think that just about proves that the WTS has no clue what they are saying or talking about.
siegswife
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WT Denies Anointed Have Special Divine Insight
by Smiles inthe wt hierarchy seems to invalidate their "anointed" members, in print, by the following quote:.
watchtower 1991 march 15, page 22.
"who really have a heavenly calling".
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My Daughter's Letter to Elders!
by reubenfine inwell, my daughter decided to write they letter.
the foundation for this letter can be found in my previous thread a couple of days ago which can be found at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=44457&site=3.. she wrote her heart and gave them some good counsel.
she was generous and kind in her comments, yet concise and to the point.
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siegswife
Man, she really put her thoughts together nicely. Good for her! I hope they feel ashamed of themselves after reading it. I doubt they will though...it's more likely they'll be gnashing their teeth being the knuckleheads they are.
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UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?
by dolphman inok lets hear your pathetic excuses.
c'mon now don't be shy.
let's hear what you have to say.
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siegswife
Anyone who tries to board an airplane with an empty handgun should be fried! Good analogy...not!
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
It wouldn't really change a thing, other than protecting the priest from partaking in a travesty of justice. Do you really think that God looks kindly on someone who knows about such horrendous crime and does nothing about it?
The way it is now, nothing is really accomplished by confession anyway. No absolution, no involvement of the secular authorities, no justice for the victim.
edited because I can't spell
Edited by - siegswife on 16 January 2003 14:43:25
Edited by - siegswife on 16 January 2003 14:44:17
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
Yerusalym, You said that the benefit of confession without absolution is the counsel the criminal receives to turn themselves in.
Don't you think that person already knows that they should turn themselves in? Don't they already know they committed a crime and that they have something to answer for? Why else would they go to confession?
What is the benfit of counseling someone to do something that they already know should be done, especially when that counsel isn't taken? You really haven't answered my question.
On the subject of liberals, what makes you think that a liberal couldn't/wouldn't believe that lusting after someone other than their marriage partner isn't wrong? That seems to be what you're implying.
Jesus was against the fundamentalists of his day, was against dogmatic application of law that didn't serve justice and left many in the lurch. After his death his followers set up and lived in a somewhat communistic community. What say you?
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
I should think that all our liberals would be in favor of that...Oh, wait, that's right, these rights they preach about are never extended to religion.
Jesus was a liberal.
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
Yerusalim, I'm curious about something. What benefit is confession if the person can't receive absolution?
You made the comment earlier that absolution should be withheld if the person who commits a crime doesn't turn themselves in. So where is the benefit or sanctity of a confession that has no other outcome other than to make another person aware of a crime?
You said that they could be counselled to turn themselves in...but what is the benefit of such counsel if it's not taken? What good comes from a confession that doesn't result in absolution but does result in another person doing nothing to see that justice is served?
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
Here's a thought. If someone confesses to a member of the clergy because they are repentent, their repentence should be manifest by the willingness to answer to society. Even if someone is forgiven by God, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have to answer to the secular authorities. That is why we have laws and government, isn't it?
If someone isn't willing to face the consequences of their actions (manifest their repentence) are they really repentent?
I want to ammend my previous statement to include "confessions of child abuse or molestation" to what the clergy should be compelled by law to report.
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siegswife
Falcon meat! Ha HA!
EAGLES ROCK!!!!
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Ky. Bill to Repeal Clergy "Silent Right"
by Kenneson innewsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
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siegswife
As to this idea that 'innocent' should be willing to suffer and accept false accusations, imprisonment, in the name of 'protecting the children' is little different than the approach of the 'right to life' crowd, who will excuse murder in the name of protecting an unborn life. Fantatics breed fanatical reactions.
I may be a maniac or a lunatic, but I'm no fanatic! LOL
I hold that opinion in opposition to the WTS' "two witness" policy. The JW's that I've discussed this with seem to think that policy is designed to protect innocent men/women from false accusations. My point is that I think God fearing men and women would rather be governed by a system designed to protect innocent children from pedophile predators rather than to offer a haven to those same criminals because of the possibility that someone might be falsely accused.
Innocent people are put in jail every day for being falsely accused and convicted of a variety of crimes. Does that mean we shouldn't have any laws because someone innocent might end up in jail? Of course not.
I think that the clergy should be compelled by law to report any accusations of child abuse and/or molestation to the secular authorities, no exceptions. Let them sort it out.