To the contrary, this girl is VERY spoiled. Her mom, my friend, was more strict than her father, but neither ever hit her. She got WHATEVER she wanted. If mom said no, dad would say yes after she put on a crying routine. The problems this girl had, and still has are because she wasn't disciplined from the time she was a child. Do you think that violence is strictly a LEARNED behavior?
I have another friend who has a 4 year old son. She and her husband are not violent, don't spank him, have NEVER let him watch violent shows, even violent cartoon, and yet this boy is one of the most aggressive children I have ever met. What is the explanation for that?
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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Come on, rex, answer the questions...
by siegswife ini've searched in the bible to find references to the death of an unborn baby.
the only reference i can really find is in .
exodus 21:22-25 if an unborn person is considered to be equal to a born person, why isn't the punishment the same for its accidental death.
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What I get from this too is that the offspring of people are their own. If the father didn't ask for a fine, then that unborn child's death would go unpunished. There are many reasons why a woman, or a man and woman together would choose to have an abortion. I feel that this scripture speaks to the fact that their offspring or lack thereof, is totally their OWN responsibility.
While I personally don't subscribe to abortion, I don't feel it's my business to judge someone who does have one. How do these antiabortion radicals justify their reasoning? For all they know, these children that they want to force into birth could die a miserable death from the violence of their parents, starvation OR even end up to be people that GOD doesn't like very much. They could suffer the rest of their lives due to being unwanted. They could suffer the rest of their lives due to physical or mental problems. Are these religious pharisees willing to accept the responsiblility for the welfare and spiritual growth of these children for the REST of their lives? I think not. They are hypocrites. -
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Come on, rex, answer the questions...
by siegswife ini've searched in the bible to find references to the death of an unborn baby.
the only reference i can really find is in .
exodus 21:22-25 if an unborn person is considered to be equal to a born person, why isn't the punishment the same for its accidental death.
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I've searched in the Bible to find references to the death of an unborn baby. The only reference I can really find is in
Exodus 21:22-25 If an unborn person is considered to be equal to a born person, why isn't the punishment the same for its accidental death. In the scriptures I'm referring to, the accidental death of the unborn child is only a fine imposed by the father. If the mother dies, however, the punishment is 'life for life'. Why the difference if they are both considered to be 'life'? Wouldn't it be 'life for life' for the unborn child to, if they were considered such? -
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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You think I'm trying to hard to make the point. What point is it that you think I was trying to make? I was simply stating that there are people who think that they would be justified to kill there own kids if the kids went too far. In my friends case, she was trying to put fear in her daughter because her daughter was being physically abusive to her. Someone called that child abuse. Was my friend wrong for wanting to defend herself from her child, who was bid enough to kick her ass? Are you judging her? It sounds like atheists can be a bit judgmental. I find that to be a bit strange. What is the basis of your judgment? Do you think that you are superior to other people or something?
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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LOL Although I have to agree that I would be hard pressed to kill any of my bratty kids, I try not to judge God. He must've judged them to be bad seed.
It's funny, but I was just having a conversation today with a good friend who is having problems with her adult daughter. She told me of a time when her daughter was a teenager and they got into an argument. Apparently my friend had bought her daughter a pair of boots that didn't meet the spoiled girls expectations. She threw one of the boots at my friend and hit her hard on the back. My friend, although 4 foot nothing and 100 lbs soaking wet, knocked her down and put a gun in her face. She told her that if she ever hit her again she'd blow her brains out. Now, while I might agree that is a bit extreme, it still remains that there are quite a few people who think that fear is a good deterent. You know the saying, "I brought you into this world, and I can darn sure take you out." -
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Teirce...I think I do! She was just a child when I knew her, if she's who I'm thinking of. Her parents are tall. Her mom has/had brown hair...I can't think of their names though. He was a ministerial servant back then. I never really associated too much with them, but they seemed very nice.
Thinkerswife...I saw after I posted that you said Winchester. That's such a nice town. Too bad it rained some on Saturday during the parade. My daughter and I had a dry seat though in the back of a friends Ryder truck. lol We'll probably be going again next year. I'll let you know, barring any unforeseen circumstances.
Claudia...I like Cattie too. I live in the South Mountain area...actually South Mountain is right behind me. Emmaus is right down the street.
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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Daniel 6:24 What did the wives and children of Daniel's accusers do? Why were they slaughtered also? If that's mercy I will take heartlessness any day.
***Wasn't it the king of Babylon that threw those people in there? I didn't realize that he had been converted.
2Kings 2:23,24 Is this how we treat children acting like children?
***I don't know about you, but my mother used to 'goddam' me all the time when I was a kid. It seems that Elijah's had a bit more power to it, although I did have some troubles in my late teens and early adulthood....
1Chronicles 21:14 70,000 people die by God's hand because David took a census. I fail to see the enlightenment here. Maybe someone as all-knowing as you can explain it to simple little me.
***Let's see, first of all, Israel had been told not to do it. At 1Chronicles 21:3 It says that Joab pointed out to David that it was wrong, and it seems that all of Israel knew that because at 1Chronicles 21:6 it states that the tribes of Levi and Benjamin refused to participate because they knew that Joab was right. From this I can only surmise that these people had a choice NOT to participate in the census since they knew that God said not to do it. It sounds like the elders (?) of the tribes had the choice to have their tribe participate or not. I would even venture to guess that individual people could have opted not to be counted.
If you told your kids not to do something, warned them of the consequences and some of them did it anyway, shouldn't those kids received the consequences that they were warned about? If you didn't do what you told them you would do, wouldn't the kids that listened see that there was really no benefit for them to listen to you since you didn't do what you said? -
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I have a sincere question....
by AGuest inif i may... and may you all have peace.. at risk of chafing some... uh, 'positions' with regard to the current 'situation' facing this nation (u.s.) and a good part of the world, i have to ask:.
just now, i was watching the opening of president bush's address to congress.
as he entered the room, bush was given a grand standing ovation, whistling, cheers and great applause.
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I turned it off when he made statements to the effect that they hate us because we have duly elected officials. Uh huh He then said that was because they believe in fascism, totaltarianism, etc. Has he looked in the mirror lately?
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by siegswife inthe word is the seed.
all seeds have to die.
the proving of the spirit.
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(((Satan has been conquered, yet Satan rules the world.)))
I think this speaks to all of the ironies that you have mentioned. The light and darkness that exist for balance. The lie is that something can exist without remaining in the concept and definition of its existence. The truth is that concept and definition can only come from the One who created it.
The 'meaning' is the spirit of a word. Only the one who creates them knows the true meanings that they symbolize and the spirit that they are meant to contain. Words are symbols of a thought. The thought itself isn't something that can be seen, it can only be perceived by others after its manifestation in words.
When Christ, the One identified as the Word, the perfectly lawful Son, died in a manner that made Him sinful and lawless, it brought all things to chaos, in a manner of speaking. When what is lawful is declared lawless, what is the result? The thought no longer fits into its definition. The words themselves become empty and meaningless, therefore, nonsense to the one perceiving them.
But God didn't die. His Thoughts didn't die. His Spirit didn't die. The True meaning of the Word didn't die. The Word is God's Name, which means "I AM THAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE". The Word is the Seed. The Seed in the Beginning of Life. There is no Life without conscious understanding, and the Word reflects and leads to that understanding.
Words are the seeds to understanding. Words are fruitless if they aren't understood. The Law was never understood by the men who received it. They couldn't grasp the Spirit of Love and Mercy in which it was conceived. They didn't come to know the Owner of the Word that gave the Law meaning. All they could grasp was a curse, not a blessing. They couldn't prove to be the sons of God with their lack of understanding.
When the meaning of a word is understood, the purpose of the word is completely fulfilled. Christ showed the true meaning of the Law by the love he showed. He died to do away with that which wasn't fulfilling the purpose, due to lack of understanding. The Law proved to be incomplete. It was meaningless to men because they didn't perceived its true Spirit. He manifested complete understanding by His Sacrifice. The Mosaic Law is no longer because it's purpose has been fulfilled through Him, who revealed the Law to be nothing in itself, but a guide to His Path.
The Life of the Seed is the Proving of the Fruit...bringing the Spirit to Fulfillment...the comprehension of the Meaning. The Fruit is the End result, the Fullness of Understanding. The Fruit is the I AM. The Amen. All seeds have to die. Those that don't bear fruit and those that do, they all have to die. They contain the Spirit of Life, but aren't complete in themselves. By dying, Christ was fulfilling the Purpose. He had to die to prove to be the Fruit.
In one of your other ironies, you mentioned that stars are still being created. That's because it's still going on, it's still the sixth day, in our time. "And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred because on it He has been resting from all His works which He created FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING." The creating is still going on in our time. ALL HIS WORKS were created for that purpose. Everything that He has conceived and defined. By the Sacrifice of the Seed, Christ, He has brough ALL HIS WORKS back into the designs of His Purpose.
Death still exists for the flesh because Life hasn't been fully brought to Fruition. The flesh has to be consumed by the Spirit. The world doesn't perceive its end. It still tries to reach perfection through works of law. It doesn't see that it is lawless. Satan still rules the world because the world still believes the lie that its own works aren't dead. It remains in death because it is not proving to be a new creation.
Satan has been conquered and his purpose is coming to its end. He still has authority for a little while, until the Spirit manifests the end of that one who thought he could live forever in defiance to the Spirit of the Word. He's getting his own way as a reward for his error. He gets to reside in the flesh which has been defined and limited to the assignment of death, for the Life of the Spirit, which is eternal.
Revelation 13:6-8 And it opened its mouth in blasphemes against God, to blaspheme His Name, and His residence, even those residing in Heaven. And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it; the name of not one of them stands written in the scroll of Life of the Lamb who was slaughtered from the founding of the world.
All things have been created by and for the Word. Yahweh. The Proving of the Spirit. The Amen. The I AM.
Hebrews 13:15 Through Him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of the lips which make a public declaration to His Name.
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Christians and dubs/treated same here
by gumby inhey guys.
i got an idea as to why there is the same bitterness by many/not all, on this board twards christians like there is to dubs.
you feel you have found it to be a crock just as the borg is and it makes you madder than crap to see people duped a second time.
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(((I question your beliefs because that is what we do when we discuss such topics as Christianity v. Atheism. It is a natural extension of the topic of discussion to ask for facts when a Christian makes claims. Time and time again we have found that facts are few and far between in Christian argumentation. If you had any desire to do some research you would know this.
Do you understand why it is frustrating to converse with someone who is confident they have the truth, but they are not interested in checking out the facts? Do you see how exhausting it is to discuss issues with people who have no doubts because they looked at "many sides" long ago, but they can't seem to defend their position with facts?
I have every right to question your faith. Your faith requires you to defend it. I just ask that you do it honestly and use evidence based on fact. Is that too much to ask? If so, then why are you taking part in these discussions?)))
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***How can you assert that the sources that you use are facts? Did you come to these conclusions by your own physical research into these things, or are you basing your assumptions upon the research of others? If you didn't actually do the research (other than reviewing the research of others) aren't you putting your faith in the words of others also? Can you provide me with irrefutable facts that are based on your own observations and arrived at AFTER you have a complete understanding of that which you are refuting (the Bible)? How can you disprove something if you don't fully understand it?
Why should I be first to prove the basis of my faith if you can't first provide the basis of yours? Why should I have to read the writings of other men to understand your position? If I don't believe the words of other men, aren't I being more skeptical and inclined to want REAL proof more than you?
It appears to me that we ALL base our beliefs on just that - belief. How are you different than me in that respect? Do you claim to have a complete knowledge of the Bible, as your starting point, that you can then disprove it? And are you claiming that you have FACTS that have not been otherwise refuted by other secular sources?