something just dawned on me today as i processed my assimilation into the real world (thanks to our new poster, @jester, giving me a major throwback to my first post).. when you're a jehovah's witness, you really are in some sort of la la land.
things which are perfectly normal are acts of eating from the table of the demons.
things which are horribly grotesque and extremely unjust are branded as "righteousness".
Great post JoHo - I too never thought of it from that angle. As each day passes we learn great things from this forum. Although I have been inactive / faded for nearly 4 years I would not describe myself as fully 'awake' because as this topic highlights, I have learnt something new. So I will describe my journey as a gradual awakening.
PE also gave some great information on using different words to JW standard vocabulary. Thanks PE, will definitely use your ideas going forward.
... because she'd stepped into some newly laid concrete.. i said to her, "don't be too hard on yourself.
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Oh shit, now we're well and truly stuck
2 pioneers of the opposite sex.
the brother is in his mid-20s, sister is in her late 20s.
both are alone in car as the only 2 out in field service.
@ Jehoval lol
The Americans and the Brits are separated by a common language ... lol.
i think i made a thread like this a couple of years ago but i can't remember what was said and i'd rather have a new discussion anyway.. what's different in the wts since i left it behind in 2006?.
@ Punk & Still Totally ADD
LOL! .... you guys crack me up.
Back to OP's question ... what's changed?
Well, the biggest thing would be all the lawsuits for child sexual abuse! There has been the ARC which is well documented, and investigations currently underway in the UK, USA, Canada and Mexico(?) and I believe individual cases in some European countries too.
There's a big drive on shunning; even if you are not DF'd or DA'd - just faded.
Finally; the Org is still crying poverty and on the scrounge for donations - no change there!
this is my first post on here so i apologize that it is like an essay!.
my husband and i are currently 'fading out' of the truth.
we stopped preaching in may 2016 and limited meeting attendance in january 2017 and stopped completely in june 2017. my main reason for this was my whole life i have been doing things to please others, even getting baptized to please my mum.
... Maybe three to five years down the line you can really be viewed as inactive. But even then saying or being seen to do the wrong thing by friends or relatives who are JW's can be the short path to a DF.
Hi Emily, and welcome to the forum.
Some great advice has been given however, pay close attention to the snippet, above, which Freddo posted.
Everyone has their own unique set of circumstances and unfortunately there is no easy way out of the Org. Basically, and I'm by no means making light of the situation, you can either go down the fade route, like myself and many others on this forum and have to continually be on your guard, or you can DA yourselves (and be damned with the consequences) and live your lives the way you deem appropriate.
No matter what stance you take, there will be repercussions one way or the other.
so i suffered through another one of these idiotic "encouraging" talks by tony vives.. he prattled on about loyalty, and pretty well concentrated on three areas.
loyalty to ones marriage mate, which is no problem.
if one is married they really do owe loyalty to their husband or wife.. second, he hammered on "loyalty" by having nothing to do with a df'd family member, even a child!
You have my deepest sympathies FedUpJw, for having to endure through that tortuous 'monologue'.
I agree with loyalty to one's spouse however, I call BS on the rest!
They really do live in a 'fantasy world'.
we all know that this cult will drive those trying to leave to desperate measures, and today by brother was very nearly one of those statistics.
he slashed his thigh with a kitchen knife and was bleeding out until he called the police.. i got a call on my way home from work from a police officer, coincidentally it was one of my old friends from school who's now a cop.
he told me my brother is in hospital after an attempted suicide and has lost some blood but will be ok. but i should get to the hospital as he's asking for me.
Hi PE
Very sorry to read about what has happened to your brother. Fortunately he is in the best place for the time being where real professionals - the nurses, doctors, therapists etc - will help him through this ordeal.
As others have already mentioned, this is in no way your fault. No matter what happens going forward, always be there for your brother - he will never forget it.
quite possibly the most cringeworthy thing i've seen them do yet.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tk88rstv6o.
Coming in late on this topic;
Strip away the Org and you'll find that they are good people just like all of us here on this forum.
It's saddening to see these people waste away their lives for an organisation that is most probably the biggest fraud in history. Not to mention that the hierarchy think nothing of the R&F regardless of their status in the congregations.
I'm not knocking the singers and musicians in this video however, the lyrics and music is embarrassing.
Here's hoping that someday they too will break free from the org.
this is one of the featured articals on jw.borg at the moment.
could it be because the young ones are googling their parents religion?, seeing the bullshit?, and calling their parents out on it?
i hope so.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20120201/adolescent-questions-faith/.
Oops; my bad, I somehow posted my comment above in the wrong discussion thread.
Have copied and pasted across to the relevant discussion thread.
Can either admin or the mod's delete this comment and mine above please.
