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  Help please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

  during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

  both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

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  No problem JoenB57 , and for the record l do see the all in Col 1:20 as all . Out of interest l will conduct a straw poll in my church on that one . I cannot remember it being discussed in Bible study .

  TD l have looked into Luke11:42 and 21:29 and yes my NIV does ad "other " in there , some translations don't . l can't see why for the life of me but it doesn't change the meaning of the teaching . Having looked at the rest of the examples and checking some commentaries l don't think that the "all " in them needs to be qualified and again the gist of the passages are not compromised anyway .

  In the case of John 1:3 the addition of " other " obviously does alter the meaning . The whole verse in the literal translation reads " All things through him came into being , and without him came into being not even one thing that has come into being " Doesn't the final part of the verse indicate that the " all " is meant to be all ? It seems so to me .

  When you add in other verses to get this into context , such as Col 1:15 " The Son is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of all creation . Col 1 : 19 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him " to me this backs up the belief that Jesus was not a created being , like MIchael the Archangel as the WT teaches .

  l realise that not everyone will see it like this , but l do think that this is a conversation worth having with JWs .

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  Help please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

  during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

  both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

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  Just to get back quickly to JoenB75 as a Tinitarian who is part of a worldwide Trinitarian church , Anglican , our teaching is that The Word , Jesus , is God made man .

  This is taken from the Catholic Encyclopaedia
  

  "and transforms it by showing that this creative Word which from all eternity was in God and was God, took flesh and dwelt among men "

  So the same thing . l would say that in fact most Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God in the flesh .

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  Help please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

  during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

  both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

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  πάντα . l looked this up in Bible Hub Greek interlinear and every possible meaning includes all , every , total ,the lot etc . No doubt that this word is totally inclusive , NOTHING that was made was made without him . Adding the word thing is not changing the meaning . All that was made is the same as every thing that was made .

  It's adding other that changes it .

  Vanderhoven l was asking about both . Without the word other the meaning ( and intent of the writer ) seems clear .

  A lot is said about putting verses into context . Well Paul starts this passage by saying the Christ is the image of the invisible God . He goes on to say " For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him "

  How do JWs square all this with their teaching that Jesus is a created angel ?

  l am curious about the statement that fire breathing evangelicals utterly deny Col 1:20 . Why do you say this JoenB57 ?

  As l am neither a JW or a firebreathing evangelical , just a mild mannered Anglican , l hope that hypocrisy is not one of the things that l can be accused of , with regard to this at least .

  I am asking because l would like to be prepared when chatting to JWs and asking about this .

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  Help please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

  during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

  both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

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  Hi , would someone help me please with some info about the NWT . During my study time l have been reading John 1:1-14 and Colossians 1:15-17 . Both these passages indicate that Jesus was not created as the WT asserts .

  John 1:3 " Through him ALL things were made , without him NOTHING was made that has been made "

  NIV International Version , capitals mine for emphasis .

  Would some kind person let me know if the NWT changes these verses to alter the meaning . If not how can the borg justify their teaching about Jesus .

  Thanks in advance , Jan
  
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  Merry Xmas / Happy Holidays & a Safe & Prosperous New year to all of you for 2020

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just looking at some happy holidays / xmas cards some of us sent each other at the close of 2016 of the cards i received only a few of them have your jwn name on them ,the other `s gave me their real names which i cant reveal here.. however this post is for everybody that is on this forum not just to the few i`m referring to.just to clarify .. and i was going to send greetings to you all this year for 2020.. one was from hawaii.

  milwaukee.

  berlin.

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  Hi Xanthippe , how sad that you lost your beloved pet . They really are like part of your family .

  Yes we are going to the Garrick . The play is Away in a Danger ( Christmas Carol Casebook ) . It's one of those where 4 or 5 people play a cast of thousands , well not quite . We have seen a few productions by the same group and they are very funny .

  Happy New Year to everyone .

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  Merry Xmas / Happy Holidays & a Safe & Prosperous New year to all of you for 2020

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just looking at some happy holidays / xmas cards some of us sent each other at the close of 2016 of the cards i received only a few of them have your jwn name on them ,the other `s gave me their real names which i cant reveal here.. however this post is for everybody that is on this forum not just to the few i`m referring to.just to clarify .. and i was going to send greetings to you all this year for 2020.. one was from hawaii.

  milwaukee.

  berlin.

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  So did everyone survive Christmas with their sanity still more or less in tact ? Did anyone actually enjoy Christmas , l did .

  What are your plans for New Year's Eve ? We are off to the theatre in Lichfield for a comedy matinee , then a meal .

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  Who's Happy To Go Abroad and Drive on the Other Side?

  by snugglebunny in

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  2. friends

  i do it most years.

  being in the uk, virtually every other country nearby drives on the right.

  we drive on the left.

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  I have to say that l have thought about this a lot since all the hoo haa about the diplomat's wife and the young man's death .

  Firstly let me say for anyone who doesn't know that my son died at the age of 25 so l DO know about the loss of a child .

  However as a Brit who has never driven in a foreign country ( on the wrong side ) and l couldn't , hand on heart , say that l wouldn't get muddled up as to which side to be on . So l really don't know how to feel about this situation .

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  Merry Xmas / Happy Holidays & a Safe & Prosperous New year to all of you for 2020

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just looking at some happy holidays / xmas cards some of us sent each other at the close of 2016 of the cards i received only a few of them have your jwn name on them ,the other `s gave me their real names which i cant reveal here.. however this post is for everybody that is on this forum not just to the few i`m referring to.just to clarify .. and i was going to send greetings to you all this year for 2020.. one was from hawaii.

  milwaukee.

  berlin.

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  MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE .

  JAN
  
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  Johnson and the NHS

  by jhine in

  1. social
  2. current

  we brits are being bombarded with facts and speculation about the horrific consequences of either corbin or johnson getting into power .

  another thread has discussed the anti-semitic leanings ( or not ) of corbin .

  what do people think about the left's claims that boris would sell off the nhs ,only this morning l saw a post on fb saying that " america is demanding full access to nhs records " it has been pointed out by a political reporter on the bbc that the talks that the papers were leaked about happened before johnson became pm and these were just things that have been put on the negotiating table by the usa .

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  l remember a conversation with my GP a while ago in which he did say , somewhat reluctantly , that the decline in the NHS did start under Labour . That is the only comment that l can give on that .

  Thanks for all the comments guys .

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  "Do Religions Today Feed or Fleece The Flock?" March 22, 1988

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i pulled this magazine out of a box of "never placed and never will be" from the 1980's and 90's.

  of course it is hypocritical (like most articles) but especially now since the jw religion has their own channel.. it is an article about tele evangelists - the four prominent ones.

  it takes up 3 1/2 pages and it is full of the misdeeds and greed of these preachers.

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  Just found this thread . The comment about other religions helping people is right .

  l live in Tamworth , UK . Well a village just on the edge but my Anglican church teams up with all of the Christian churches in the area . There is a group called Tamworth Christian Churches which works together to pool resources , talents and buildings .

  30 years ago our ,then, local vicar had a vision ( not necessarily literal ) of using the empty old school buildings as a hostel for homeless teenagers . Tamworth Cornerstone Housing Association was born and has provided accommodation for young people needing a roof over their heads ever since .

  A local Evangelical church has been running a food bank for many years . All local denominations support this project . My church encourages a reverse advent calendar each Christmas . Every day through Advent you put a food item into a box for the food bank .

  A few years ago TCC started providing shelter for homeless adults over Christmas . This has grown each year and this year will be open for 3 months , hot meals and a warm bed over the worst of the weather . Not just that , because the project now runs for longer many homeless people have been helped into permanent accommodation and into the "system " so able to claim benefits .

  l could cite many other ways in which all of the Christian community come together in what is quite a small town in order to help people . l have never heard of the WT doing anything like this .

  National Christian groups like the Salvation Army help the homeless , lonely and abandoned every day .
  

  So yes churches DO ask for money and volunteers but both are put to good use showing Christ's love in the most practical ways .

  Jan