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  1974 and all that

  by Number 6 in

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  2. experiences

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.

  i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.

  it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.

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  jhine

  I'm confused. I've watched the film and can see the numbers going up to 7000 on the front of the podium.

  What am l missing?

  Jan from Tam
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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  jhine

  If the WT were persuaded to change its tune and find new light then shunning could be stopped.

  New light that " advices " against shunning would soon be adopted as law in JW land .

  Jan from Tam.
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  Goodbye Mother

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

  that was indeed very traumatic.

  i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

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  My condolences Punky . So sorry for your loss .

  Jan .
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  Were any congregation '' special privileges'' ever taken away from you?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you don't measure up to the watchtower society ''high standards''... you might lose some ''special privileges'' .

  miss meetings...lose ''privileges''.

  don't meet the monthly 10 hour ''field service'' ...lose ''privileges''.

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  jhine

  In my church we can't get people to volunteer 🤣. Maybe the leadership team ( warden and readers at the moment cus we are inbetween Vicars) should start to push cleaning and tea making as " privileges "

  Jan from Tam
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  Were any congregation '' special privileges'' ever taken away from you?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you don't measure up to the watchtower society ''high standards''... you might lose some ''special privileges'' .

  miss meetings...lose ''privileges''.

  don't meet the monthly 10 hour ''field service'' ...lose ''privileges''.

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  jhine

  As a never been a JW my mind boggles that grown men and women are somehow bent into a mindset to consider being " allowed " to hold a microphone is a privilege.

  How does this happen?

  Jan from Tam
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  CA Judge Orders VICTIM to Pay Award to Abusers

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://youtu.be/ay9do_jojtm?si=76u8asuictmymi9m.

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  EasyPrompt

  " I do not believe in a literal place of hellfire , but if there was such a place ssurely Watchtower layers would be there "

  What about the judge? Talk about pouring adding insult to injury .

  Jan from Tam
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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  jhine

  I posted earlier on that JWs believe that when someone leaves or is thrown out then that person will not survive Armageddon. So the believe that they must use any means to get that person back into the truth . That it is the loving thing to do , being cruel to be kind as the saying goes . So maybe they haven't been forced to shun but the brainwashing of the WT leads them to conclude that it's what they need to do to save the apostate. It is only by being in the WT truth that eternal life is attained.

  The manipulation is very clever and crafty . However the finding of " new light " could be encouraged by sanctions such as loss of charitable status.

  Jan from Tam
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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  So , if a member of someone's family does something that warrants shunning and their family doesn't shun would there be no comeback on them ? Or does that depend on individual Kingdom Halls and the elders ? Can people be punished for not shunning?

  Also I have always understood that JWs are told that because someone is outside of the Truth then they are doomed . So by shunning the " wrongdoer " to force them back into the Truth they are being loving .

  Surely that is mind control at work and takes the guilt out of shunning if you can tell yourself that you are doing it for the ultimate good of person being shunned.

  I suspect that if told that they will lose privileges then the WT would feel " new light " coming on .

  Jan from Tam
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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  LUHE , it does seem to be the best way to deal with this. Hit them where it hurts , in their pockets .

  I don't believe that ending Mandated shunning would mean that people would have to talk to someone if they don't want to . It just gives the individual the power to make their own choices , and not to have to shun out of fear of being shunned themselves.

  Isn't that what everyone wants ? The ability to make their own choices.

  Jan from Tam
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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  jhine

  PetrW l don't understand your comment about the command form of the verb ' to love ' . Why would being told to love cause deaths ?

  I genuinely don't get it .

  Also l don't think that outlawing mandated shunning is the same as forcing people to love .

  Jan from Tam