bucket shop bill has a thread in which they are "counseled" for something, that ends up not even being true.
instead of the elder who made the accusation apologizing to them, they are made to feel like they should appreciate his overexuberence.. it struck me that this is a common tactic.
here is a story of my own.
Dispicable,
I am sure you can. Honestly before that meeting I had never felt so much panic. My heart thumping out of my chest. I resolved (at the time), that i would just sit there quietly and not let them drag me into anything. I began to resent myself feeling such lack of self worth. I gave them so much power over me.
I just had it.
bucket shop bill has a thread in which they are "counseled" for something, that ends up not even being true.
instead of the elder who made the accusation apologizing to them, they are made to feel like they should appreciate his overexuberence.. it struck me that this is a common tactic.
here is a story of my own.
Thanks SD-7.
I've never really told my whole story here, simply because its to identifying.
Honestly at the time, I wasn't thinking about these priciples, I just wanted my dignity, and refused to be a pawn in that mess any longer. Its one of my prouder moments in the whole mess.
bucket shop bill has a thread in which they are "counseled" for something, that ends up not even being true.
instead of the elder who made the accusation apologizing to them, they are made to feel like they should appreciate his overexuberence.. it struck me that this is a common tactic.
here is a story of my own.
LHG, they basically say there is no such thing as counsel that is "not needed". We are always all in need of loving counsel. So when they are done you simply ask, may I offer some thoughts to you brothers?
Done. Let it rip. Why is raping kangaroos bad? Would God approve of meth? Get in there. Why you need to please your wife on a regular basis.
Make it absurd and spin it back to them. Be serious.
This is quite the useless thread resurrection.
I don't know. I guess fine?
Housing market rebounded, winding down the long term middle east engagements, unemployment is around 6%, our standing in the world in general has improved, Bin Laden was killed.....
On the other hand, personal liberties continue to be threatened, the jobs contain a widening middle class, while Obamacare was in theory good, in practice its a mess, and the Middle east is crazier than ever.
Only think that could be worse is having President Romney or warhawk McCain presiding.
The president can only do so much. Congress needs the boot.
bucket shop bill has a thread in which they are "counseled" for something, that ends up not even being true.
instead of the elder who made the accusation apologizing to them, they are made to feel like they should appreciate his overexuberence.. it struck me that this is a common tactic.
here is a story of my own.
Bucket shop Bill has a thread in which they are "counseled" for something, that ends up not even being true. Instead of the elder who made the accusation apologizing to them, they are made to feel like they should appreciate his overexuberence.
It struck me that this is a common tactic. Here is a story of my own. First real personal one I think I have told.
While I was serving the congregation, but my days were numbered, I had spoken to some key elders about some things in hindsight I should not have. I was more idealistic then (almost 2 years ago). They gave a talk that at the time I didn't realize was basically a "marking" talk where they do nto mention the persons name.
It was quite clearly specific towards me. Most of the hall didn't know it. Some did. I called the elder with whom i was still serving and said "What the hell was that!?"
His word for word response....
"Well brother, is there anythig from the platform that you felt was not a good reminder for all sevant of the living God Jehovah?"
I chuckled, and would not be baited.
Once I was removed and my spiritual de-pantsing was complete, i was asked later to appear before 5 elders from three congregations. I refused but eventually because of a friend convincing me it was the only way they would leave me alone, I agreed. They asked me to "keep silent until the end", and proceeded to cousel me about three things.
1) They spoke about "respecting Lordship" (not kidding), by listening to the elders.
2) Not debating the NWT online (huh?)
3) I don't even remember.
Number 2 was interesting. Not only have I never done such a thing, but the cousel to avoid it was giving the impression to guys that didn't know me well in my new hall that I did in fact do this. I could see what they were doing very clearly. The new hall didn't like my old hall much (hence my decision to go there), and they wanted to malign my rep right away to the new guys.
When they were done I responded with counsel of my own.
1) I spoke about Jesus speaking to his disciples saying that the Pharisees "Lord it over the flock", but with them let that not be so. I then explained the word translated "Lord it over", has multiple meanings. One of which was "insist on authority". So while you insist on Lordship or authority Brother ____, Jesus insists you forego it. You just gave the speech of a Pharisee.
2) The other elder there was a prick too. These guys are just the worst of the worst. So I counseled him to beware of developing inappropriate feelings for young boys or girls. I told him that as an elder, some of the young ones looked up to him, and he would want to make sure to never use that influence in such a way as to sexually gratify himself, even with seemingly benign things...
Well all hell broke loose. "What are you implying? Where are you going with this?"
Me: "Well brothers.....is there anything I am saying that is not correct or a good reminder for appointed men? Is it odd to receive counsel for something you have never done? Does it imply to those present that you like underage children if I counsel you about it publicly Brother? "
aaaaaaaaand the meeting was over. The message was received clearly, and I was never asked to be met with again.
The tactic used is clear. By counseling you about something, it by proxy sticks to you in some way. You are in a loose loose situation, where you are either argumentative, not accepting the counsel, or not being humble and appreciateing the brothers concern. I recognized this like a beam of light DURING this meeting. So I proceeded to counsel them as well. Once you get over the idea of counseling these guys, you realize that they have to sit there and take it, just like you just did. It became a very thrilling prospect, and it accomplished the goal I had of not being screwed with.
my alcoholic and aged jw mother is now extremely ill and is being cared for in every respect by my non-jw brother.
3 sisters visited him yesterday and were adamant.
that i (disassociated and shunned by her for nearly 3 years) was able to 'visit her any time' and that ' there was nothing to stop me seeing her' as long as i. didn't discuss spiritual things with her.
So I would like to know the scriptural reasoning for suspending the treatment of those who have left Gods only channel of salvation knowingly, for home and hospice care.
I mean.....I'm sure there is something in the bible about it right?
the jws make such a big deal about not taking (eating) blood in any form.
that being the case, shouldn't they avoid eating steaks?
even a well- done steak still contains the animals blood.
Well actually, the "red stuff" from rare meat really isn't blood. I see your point that a miniscule amount of blood must always be present. But the dietary restriction that started this mess only called for Noah and then Isrealites to bleed the animal in due dilligence before consuming. So I get the point you are trying to make, but i think its a non starter.
I would prefer to go with dental work using the same logic. I had my wisdom teeth pulled, and I swallowed alot of my own blood. Was that ok? Isrealites never had their wisdom teeth taken out. Perhaps there should be a prohibition?
i was in the den when the old lady yell, "your friends are here".. at the door stood a jw.
hi sir (no good morning sir) we have a web site,.
jw.org in different languages.
This is not a stupid move on their part.
By making doctrin undiscernable, and too complicated for even the believer to properly explain, they peddle to the lowest common denominator (not meant to be insulting).
So "campaigns" put butts in the seats of field service. Its easy. Smile and hand a tract. If you are really zealous, then sure share a scripture or something. So its a mass of free labor giving away paper tracts to direct people to a digital website. Its slightly hilarious......but its super simple.
This is why campaigns are the norm. there are 4 a year by my count.
1) Memorial
2) Convention
3) Randon end of service year one (like now)
4) Some "kingdom news #___"
It gets people out, it makes it seem more interesting than it really is, and ANYBODY in the hall can do it. They are trying to get people to develope a routine.
this is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
My policy regarding JW rumor is that if it is impossible to verify within one level, then it probably is false.
Seriously they suggested there is a GB member having a hard time? No way. Who Splane? Morris? Herd? The we just love this idea guy?
No way.
suppose the following choice were offered you, and you had to choose one or the other.
which would you pick (and perhaps why):.
1) you can continue living your life as it is, die when you might, and that's that.. 2) you can instead agree to die in 1 year in exchange for this: you will be granted access to the entire past and future history of intelligent life in the universe.
Before I answer, what happens after I die?
