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  A Picture of the Universe at 300,000 Years Old

  by D wiltshire in

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  for those who are interested here is a picture of the universe at around 300,000 years old.. this is concidered the discovery of the century (1992).. http://www.lbl.gov/lbl-pid/george-smoot.html.

  there is of coarse much written about this discovery "wrinkles in time" by george smoot himself is a very good book on the subject.

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  Aren't universes cute when they're that age?

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  Solstice - First Cast - pics working now

  by COMF in

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  lisa is a solo-practicing wiccan whom i've been dating for a while now.

  she explained to me early on, that she had never "cast" because she didn't feel that she had enough knowledge, or experience, or something, and was afraid of getting it wrong.

  i encouraged her to go ahead and cast, saying that experience is obtained by the doing.

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  Blessed Be COMF! And Happy Yule! The ritual you described sounds wonderful. It sounds like Lisa is doing a very thorough job of researching. You're very fortunate to be a part of it, I'm sure you will learn a lot.

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  question about "talking" to JW concer...

  by dryology in

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  i've been dating a jw for almost 3 1/2 years - about a month ago i found out that 3 elders from my boyfriend's kingdom hall we're going to have a meeting with my boyfriend about dating me.

  when i asked why this meeting was going to take place, my boyfriend said that it was because he was dating someone who isn't a jehovah's witness.

  this really hurt me, and it hurt even more when i found out that they had already talked to him once before, and he did not tell me about it.

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  Hello dryology, [interesting name btw],

  The fact that you've been with your boyfriend for so long seems to show that his congregation and his family aren't taking the hardest line on the issue. However I think if you were to seriously discuss marriage you may find they will increase the pressure on him to break off the relationship.

  I dated a JW many years ago and though it was only for a relatively short time his friends in the congregation were horrible about it. The emotional blackmail they used on him was outrageous. His own family was not in the 'truth' but he thought of his congregation as his new family and their opinions mattered more than those of his relatives. Because I decided very early on that the religion was not something I could believe in, I was treated badly by his 'friends' also. The relationship could not survive the pressure and though I was devastated at the time, I realize now the best decision I ever made was to end the relationship. We've both since married others and after joining this group and reading the horror stories people tell about being involved with the WBTS, I've come to realize I would have been miserable if I had tried to keep the relationship together.

  I wish you luck, if your boyfriend can withstand the pressure from elders [and possibly family and friends] he may one day be able to leave the religion, but as long as he is in it, you will have to face problems like this.

  Silverleaf
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  Believers, why does God need your flattery?

  by IronGland in

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  why would an all knowing master of space and time feel the irrepressible need to be adored by mere insects (relatively speaking), and indeed punish them in the most absolute of terms if they fail in this task?

  indeed it makes god seem very human, although rather immaturely so.

  we expect such behavior from schoolyard bullies, megalomaniac dictators and small children who demand adoration from their beaten dogs.

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  aChristian,

  Parents may discipline their children but good parents don't kill their children even for willfully disobeying them. Nor do they punish their grandchildren and great grandchildren for the disobedience of their parents [as the Bible states - though it contradicts itself about this issue]. One would think God would have a better way to deal with errant children that did not involve thousands of years of punishment, banishment to Hell, or complete annihilation. When a parent sends their chidlren to the garden to play, a good parent also does not send the rabid Pit Bull [Satan] to play there also.

  Likewise one would expect the Word of God to be absolute, inerrant and contain no contradictions - be available and understandable to all His children, not requiring translation by imperfect humans and be unable to be misinterpreted in any way.

  JMO,

  Silverleaf
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  Are there a LOT more pagans here lately?

  by Xander in

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  just wondering...last time a similar thread was posted, there were maybe...mmm...5 or 6 professed pagans on the board?.

  it just seems, browsing through several threads, there is a disproportionate number of us here?

  thoughts?.

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  Absolutely 100% Pagan.

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  the dead

  by vanilia in

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  what do you believe happens to you once you die?

  is it worth now trying to use occultists to contact dead family members?

  or are they dead!

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  Silverleaf

  Hi Vanilia,

  I don't think your question is morbid. Welcome to the board, by the way. I was never a JW but considered joining many years ago when my then fiance was involved. I'm Pagan now and my feeling is that souls are reincarnated either when they choose to be or when they need to be. I believe in soul families - groups that stay together throughout lifetimes in different capacities, such as your best friend may have been your sibling in another life, your child may have been your great grandfather. I think the dead can send us messages, tell us they are all right, and often guide us in our lives, but I would be very cautious about having someone try to contact the dead - I think a lot of people who claim to be able to do this are charlatans. If someone from your life wants to contact you, I don't think they will need a medium to do it. And if you want to communicate with someone who has died, I think you can just do that - talk to them through prayer or ritual and they will hear you.

  JMHO,

  Silverleaf
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  What else do people fall for?

  by sleepy in

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  what other scams ,schemes and crazy stuff do people fall for apart from becoming jehovahs witnesses?do you know of things to watch out for that some others may not be well informed enought about to know the problems involved?

  homoeopathy is one.companies making millions out of the suffering of desperate people and selling them suger and water.

  the only effect homoeopathy can have is a placebo one that may cause you to be more relaxed and less stressed due to the belief you are being cured, which will aid recovery,but that would just happen if you were lied to by your doctor.

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  Pyramid schemes are the worst. I've had a number of friends get involved and try their sales pitch on me. One couple we know fell for it twice - about 10 years ago they invited us over to learn about a great business opportunity - they were getting in on the ground floor and they wanted us to have the same opportunity to retire by age 35 and live the good life. I remember the husband asking my DH what his goals were for ten years down the road and my DH said it would be nice to have a new car, a couple of kids and own a home. Well 10 years later that's what we have [okay the "new" car is 7 years old but it runs]. That couple I'm sad to say are still struggling, yet they got in on the ground floor of that 'great opportunity' and when the business contacts dried up they tried the internet version and tried to get us in on that too. I told them, when you guys pay off your bills and are putting the down payment on a new house, give us a call, we'll join then. Still waiting.

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  My Wiccan Experience

  by COMF in

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  this is a true story.

  i do not bullshit about stuff like this.. everybody knows i'm agnostic, and most of you know that i lump wicca right in there with all the other religious beliefs as being just one more crock of lies, and have pissed off sunchild and sirona and a few others with my observations about wicca.

  well, as i continue on my path of mellowship, i've mellowed toward wicca as well.

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  Silverleaf

  Hi COMF,

  On a Pagan discussion board I'm on we debate what constitutes interfering with someone else's free will all the time. Performing a spell or ritual on someone while they're asleep and without their express permission is a definite no-no. I'm sure she meant well and was trying to help you but her actions go against Wiccan principles. If she hasn't met with the coven yet I would encourage her to do so and ask someone about the proper etiquette for spellcasting. At the very least if I were you I would ask her (nicely of course) NOT to perform any more spells or rituals on your, for you or on your behalf unless you have discussed it first.

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  Question for Everyone

  by Wild_Thing in

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  are there any other chronic lurkers out there?

  just wondering ...

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  Silverleaf

  I lurk more than I post too. I was never a JW so I don't have much to add to a lot of the topics. I never cease to be amazed by people's experiences with the WTBTS though and this site has helped me deal with a lot of anger I had at my treatment by the society years ago.

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  Should I "come out" to my JW mum?

  by Sirona in

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  first of all, i'm not gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.

  question is: "should i tell my jw mum that i am now a pagan"?.

  i'm one of those unusual (stupid?

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  Silverleaf

  Hi Sirona,

  I'm not and never was a JW, nor are my parents, but I still got raised eyebrows the first time I said openly that I was Pagan. My parents are non-practicing Protestants btw. All I can say is live your life the way you want to live it. If your mother is alarmed [and she probably will be] just answer all her questions calmly and reasonably. Paganism and Wicca have nothing to hide, as far as I'm concerned they are belief systems that can stand the scrutiny of others and they welcome it.

  Blessed be,

  Silverleaf