for the first time in a long time i actually have something to look forward to.
knowing that i no longer will be under the constraints of a oppresive religion has done a lot for me.
(and i have'nt left yet) .
good luck leander....
hey! i'm a lot older than you (i think), but still got in one year (certificate course) of full time study... the mental pleasure was enormous.. (found out i should have been an academic)
and in 3 1/2 years i want to start a degree course, will not be much use to me work wise, but i want to do it!!!! and maybe do a masters... (stop me getting alzeimers!!!)
the brooding, dark grey walls of the "new jerusalem" , shut out the view of so many things..
someone recently posted a link to the mp3 song: "joanie, the jehovah witness stripper.".
while trying to find out who performs that song, look what i found: the story of "amethyst the (former) jehovah witness stripper".
i found that the song "joanie the jehovah's witness stripper" was by an artist named "paul thorn", his website is http://www.paulthorn.com/.
On my site I have a story of a former Witness who is now a porn star...
oh! my -- if only i was young enough!!!!!!!!!!
if men were created in the image of god , and women created for men , then why do all foetuses start off female?.
according to the bible eve was created out of adam.. well i can't speak for adam but the basic body structure of a human it seams starts off as female , men branching off at a certain point of developement due to man making hormones.it doen't get rid of our nipples though.. if men came first or are in some way superior in gods eyes then why the need to develope as a female first , shouldn't it be the other way round?.
so shouldn't have god made eve first?
are female jws allowed to lick male jw nipples ?????
has the WT ruled on this yet??
(nothing to do with the topic -- just a randomly generated off-topic post!!!)
and liberty,
my tits are NOT useless.... there is a direct connection to other sexual locations on my body -- one lick gets arousal.
what happens when yours are licked (just curious -- not a come-on!!!)
western lands pride themselves in allowing freedom of speech.. it has benefits and drawbacks.. it means that people can be exposed to ideas that are beneficial and true , also ones that are harmful and false.. for example freedom of speech allows corruption to be revealed by the press and for people to speak out against harsh regimes.. but also allows religious lies and falsehoods along with racism to be spread.. when people lack the necessary reasoning skills or are unduly effected by a certain upbringing and background freedom of speech allows people to be taken in by and to spread harmful ideas.. a good education along with a well balanced upbringing allows people to develop good reasoning and thinking ability that can ultimately improve the way their country is run and to create better lives for the majority.. when we see a lack of education , impoverished backgrounds and bad parenting this often leads those effected down the wrong path in life , though many have managed to fight their way out.. most crime is committed in deprived areas and amongst the people who live in them, where it is also obvious that children haven't the best opportunities in life.. this can lead to them thinking in a way that is different to others of a different background and they may see crime for example ,as the only way out.. the point being that background and education can have large effect on us as people.. so along with freedom of speech we have people from many varied backgrounds , this will alter what they see as a just and fair world to them.. as long as we want the right to choose what we can say and practise we must allow others to do so , even if we don't agree and really believe are wrong.. free access to a good education and upbringing can help people avoid being taken in by flawed reasoning and its results.
the key to a better world is to improve the people.. this can be done and people can be helped to avoid making big errors of judgment (such as becoming a jehovahs witness) if we can improve the lives of people in general.. better education ,elimination of poverty along with other related factors will surly help change the way many people think.
( dream on).
of course, the gb is scared of knowledge.....
every tightly controlled (totalitiarian) organisation is, and knwledge brings them all undone..
the chinese communist party once had a high percentage of 'idealists', but after victory over the corrupt (and more 'christian) koumintang in 1949, took the same wrong turning as the GB is taking..
to keep control in a land that had only known chaos the CCP, cracked down on dissent. they were able to control the flow of information for a long time, but in the end modern communication beat them.
by the time of tiananmen square, many people had fax machines, and overseas contacts and friends - through these, most of china had some knowledge of the real facts...
the party had no option, but to allow more freedom, (in spite of the reactionary crackdown in tiananmen square).
today, faced with being wrong about 1975 and the 'generation' issue, the GB is doing precisely the same as the communists, the nazi's and sundry religious organisations ... censoring information, controlling the flow of information.
but, in the end the free flow of information will beat them also!!!!!
even when you have an organisation built of people on the low side of average intelligence, the flow of information will seep through.
THEY HAVE ALREADY LOST THE BATTLE FOR TRUTH!!!!
its sad, as a spiritual organisation they could have been different.
i wonder if jws are aware that organic food is grown in soil that is improved by enriching the soil with manure, fish-meal and dried blood?
lots and lots of dried blood?
http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/envirohort/factsheets2/fertilizer/jan89pr6.html.
it gets to be like the talmud..
eg - you cannot use dried blood in your garden....
but, (i think we can infer) if blood is poured out on the ground, and vegetables grow in it, you can then eat that vegetable, because it was "accidental"...
so, it always is, when you become legalistic..!!!
i am new to this forum, but i have been lurking for a while.
you all seem pretty friendly, i hope you will be nice to me even though i am still a jehovah's witness.
i wonder if you all have heard about the new arrangement for putting in field service reports.
THE RESULT OF ALL THIS - so we have an organisation that is built up on formalism & legalism...
not an organisation where love of god, and love of neighbour is the motivating force.
showing an increase for the year - measuring results in the way a business measures the result is the goal. and the result is people doing things for the wrong reason.
growth in love for god and neighbour will also result in increase, an increase that i would once have believed to more pleasing to the god they claim to worship.
how can god be pleased when someone reports time, because the study conductoer asked the person for a report.
i argued these points once as an elder, and was told we are dealing with imperfect creatures, so hold my tongue.
i now see that we were dealing with an imperfect organisation!!!!!
http://www.stormpages.com/jwfriends/wwwboard/index.html .
check out their disclaimer.. it jumped off the screen at me.. .
terms of use: i agree to use the jw friends message board in a christian manner.
stimulating posts arn't they!!!!!!!!
the june 1, 2002 wt has an interesting discussion of whether genetics and our biology have any influence on "alcoholism, homosexuality, promiscuity, violence, other aberrant behavior and..." .
their conclusion?
essentially, they say no.
i think my parents got seriously worried when they came home one day, and found me rehearsing a musical play with my brother (and dam - he was very reluctant to be involved) in which i played the lead role of a prostitute that did strip tease. (think i was about 12).
looking back -- i acknowledge the 'serious' crushes i got on other boys from about age 5....
but to me, i think an incident when i was 10, would have told me the worst, if only i had known what the hell it meant.
we were living at merimbula on the south coast of nsw.... and had a weekly visit to bega for shopping.
the local chemist *** who liked to promote causes - had devoted a window display to the police boys club - (a youth club ran by the police) -- it (among other stuff) featured a big photograph of about 100 naked boys going swimming at a camp held by the police boys club.
the sight of all those naked arses fascinated me... i rationalised, of course, and thought it was the camping ethos (LOL)......
this must have worried my parents also... for i was forbidden to look at this pic. my brother used to score brownie points by telling my parents when i 'peeked'....
maybe you can see where this is heading.....
1. i do not think that there were any 'gay' influences in my life..
2. there were certainly none in the community (homosexuality was well and truly hidden in those days). the only mention in the newspaper, was when some poor guy would be arrested.
3. i was never molested by an older person, or even a younger person. chee...!
4. but i was often acccused of being a 'poofter' by other kids (after puberty). which made me determined to be NOT a poofter.!, even tho i had never done anything sexual to anothr guy.
5. i had parents that were like everyone elses'.. just plain folks..neither my father or maother were weak or wishywashy. i loved them both! and they loved me and my siblings..(hey! and my mother is still alive, think she is 96 this year)
so what were the societal/environmental factors that contributed to my being gay???
i cannot point to any -- can you?
i cannot explain -- i cannot give you reasons, anymore, than you can explain being str8.
of course, there is the freudian thought, that everyone has the potential to be bi-sexual! which begs the question, why doesn't everyone act on it ?.... i think this is where societal pressure can have an affect, and influence people.
but, i am not bi-sexual, even tho i was married.
finally a message for christians -- don't be so full of fascist shit!!!!!!!!!
*** btw - i found out in later years, that he also used to put anti-jw stuff in his window also!!!!!
club em hard!.
but seriously,i was such a terrible husband that my first wife ran away and joined a catholic order to get away from me.. when i tracked her down it was to a monastery in france.. shes a full fledged catholic nun now, and wears a penguin suit.. can anyone top that one?
one of my best friends is ' mother inferior' of the 'order of perpetual indulgence'
they took over a corner of oxford (main gay street in sydney) during a visit of the pope...
he gave them a special blessing as he drove past in his popemobile -- whcih confirmed my opinion that the pope has no spiritual discernment
one of the other names i like is 'sister armageddontolikeyou' obviously been influenced by jws.
this has nothing to do with your ex-wife, refiners fire, but i thot you all might like to expand your vision of catholicism.......
this is a bit long.
but i thought i should share this with you.
if this has been posted before, i appologize.
my personal favourite from the landover site (3 cheers to they guy who maintains it):
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Nancy Boy Chrissy, The Bed-Wetting Sissy!
-by Pastor Deacon Fred (featuring Christian poems from Sister Taffy Crockett)
Summary: Do you know someone whose child seems a bit effeminate? Does he dress a little too neatly? Take too much time with his schoolwork? Is he suspiciously polite to grown-ups? Well, "Nancy Boy Chrissy, the Bed Wetting Sissy" is just the holiday gift to provide the tools his parents will need to embarrass and taunt him back to masculinity.
This beautifully illustrated book tells the story of Christopher Pansy, a 12-year old boy who is gayer than a May Pole. He is a constant humiliation to his normal, Christian parents. While other boys in the neighborhood are riding bikes and killing stray cats, Christopher loves to prance about, looking through his telescope, making maps of the stars and taking hot food to shut-ins. His parents try to humiliate him with derisive rhymed chants (CD included), snakes, spankings and the hot side of a Sears iron, but nothing seems to work. Finally, some of the neighborhood real boys corner Christopher after school behind the gymnasium. They strip the little sissy of all his girlish clothes, righteously tell him that Jesus hates fems ("Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." I Cor 6:9), then they sodomize him and throw stones at him until he dies. After this exciting chapter, the Lord Jesus blesses Christopher's parents with a real boy, Rodney. When Rodney is 7, he meets a boy at school who seems gay so his parents teach him the chants they used to mock his dead brother Christopher. In this way, children hearing this delightful story, not only learn a valuable lesson about what happens to queers, they also have the fun of repeating and memorizing the catchy, inventive jeers that they will be able to use against their suspiciously fey playmates. Parents who enjoyed reading "Dita the Dirty Dutch Diesel Dyke" to their daughters will want to pick up a copy of "Nancy Boy Chrissy, the Bed-wetting Sissy" for their boys.
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