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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

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  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  What criminal, in the heat of the moment, is thinking of future consequences?

  huh? Most of them, I would say. I'm really questioning where you are coming from here. We humans do have quite an ability to think, even in the heat of the moment. And we do. Those of us who don't, won't, or can't, just are not safe to have walking around in society.

  That would just put me on his level.

  So if a mom whose child was blown to icky bits in the OKC bombing, revenged her childs death, you would consider her just as much a force of evil as McVeigh? I'm not saying it would be right, but you would consider her the same level of scum as McVeigh? Do I have this right from your statement above?

  Fourthly, in McVeigh's case, killing him is exactly what he wants.

  Who gives a flying f*** what he wants of doesn't want. It matters not, to this discussion or any discussion beyond his last meal. Before the bombing, it would have had great relevance to any associated with him. He lost that privilege.

  We just happen to disagree with this particular revolution, that's all. Changes our entire viewpoint.

  No. And why should it? No great epiphany there. Nothing particularly "revolutionary" about blowing up innocents.

  You know, in some cultures, in some revolutions, true believers in the cause will go to a public place, douse themselves with gasoline, and light themselves. I personally think they are crazy idiots (but then I haven't lived with the injustice they have). Still, it is soul-wrenching, gut twisting, and it makes me know that at least they really believed in their cause. It also makes me wonder what that cause was they so believed in. I also tend to believe that, while what they did to themselves was incredibly violent, they, and by association their cause, is dedicated to non violence, since they chose to make their point w/o taking innocents with them.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  No. Let's execute them.

  And this "Death penalty does not deter" stuff??? Yes it does. The killer will not kill again. (they like to do that you know, or had you not noticed?) That, my friend, is the purest form of deterence. People are less likely to kill if they know they will not get away with it. Am I saying no one will ever kill knowing that? No, I am not saying that. But it does mitigate.

  Not that anyone would really know. The death penalty has not really been practiced in a long, long time, here in America. One execution for every so thousand murders (don't know the real ratio), does not a death penalty make.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  Still, murderers must go! Just decide now not to be one, Mommy . Conversely, decide now that if you ever really just have to take someone out 'cuz they pissed you off too much, that you should be eliminated from the pool of humanity.

  Down with murderers! Rapist and pedophiles too!

  Hey! lets start a mob! That's what society needs to give this 21st century a kick in the pants, a mob!

  Honestly people. Murder is just so wrong. The days for namby pamby dealing with killers is over. The days for zero tolerance for crimes that have zero excuse, are here. Off with their heads! I'm just so over this mock tenderness.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  I no longer believe in the Bible being inpired of God. I do believe that the price you pay for murder should be your own life. Is it equitable? No, the murderer is not worth nearly so much as the innocent he murdered, but it is the best we can do.

  In fact, Mommy , just go ahead and make that deal with yourself; "if I ever murder anyone, I agree that I should die for my crime." See, don't you feel a little less like killing already?
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  Science vs. Spirituality?

  by Sunchild in

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  i originally posed this question to jh in another thread, and now i'm wondering how other atheists -- especially the hardcore ones -- here would answer it.

  this isn't about proving or disproving any particular viewpoint, but just an attempt to understand a mindset that seems... well... beyond my understanding.

  <g> first, though, here are a couple of terms defined as used in the context of my inquiry.. science: the objective study of the natural world.. spirituality: an intangible aspect of nature/the universe (including humanity) that may or may not include belief in any deity, but which is merely a general sense that something more is out there, and also within us.

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  More and more progress will be achieved in the field of science until not only evolution must be accepted by the most hard-bitten fundy, but progress in the field of quantuum physics will convince the most hard-bitten materialistic, deterministic scientist of the existence of God.

  Or not. There, that's better, isn't it?
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  Honey, Have You Seen the Remote?

  by GinnyTosken in

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  i wonder if this tidbit will appear in "watching the world"?.

  ginny.

  honey, have you seen the remote?.

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  SixofNine

  To level the playing field, Logical. Not all women are able to have those spontaneous orgasms. If they will just adapt this item for men, I'll invest heavily in neoprene futures.
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  the 'birdies'

  by Mulan in

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  " "the birdies?

  "one of the birdies came and got you.

  "what did the birdies look like?

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  SixofNine

  Hehe. Yep.

  I respect that you did not dig in your heels on this one, sis.

  Hey, I'm as bewildered as anyone about what we humans will believe or not believe. I got took by my first "classic" urban legend (as opposed to the ones told as the voice of God) many years ago. It wasn't until I heard it told again a few years later, with a slight change in the players, that I realized it was b.s. I resolved not get taken, if possible, ever again.
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  the 'birdies'

  by Mulan in

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  " "the birdies?

  "one of the birdies came and got you.

  "what did the birdies look like?

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  I did see Fargo. I loved it. I don't worry one bit about anyone mistaking Fargo for a true event. I do worry that many people will pass this off as reality.

  Whatever else you say about this 'story', it is written in a way to try and convince people to believe that it is really true.

  In fact, reviewing the way you presented it to us, I noticed you said "it didn't happen to me, but was e-mailed to me." I don't reconize that presentation as anything other than someone passing along a story that they assume to be true.

  If people started all their urban legends with "this is of course, just a story..." or even "this is a true story...not!", then there would be some real humor in them. Maybe even, "I'm really just passing along this garbage to see how far it will go on the net. I had to make it especially heart-string tugging to get it circulated...".

  You may not realize it, but those 'stories" are the one commonality every person who reads this board has. Most of us were fed "stories" as the "truth" since we were little babies.
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  the 'birdies'

  by Mulan in

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  " "the birdies?

  "one of the birdies came and got you.

  "what did the birdies look like?

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  SixofNine

  Btw, if it was "just a story", it would not have started out with supporting facts to make it seem real. july 22nd, Washington DC, Mr. Glenn, etc. It is a lie, being passed off as the truth.

  Now you may agree with the reasons behind telling this "story", or you may not. But is there any excuse for getting a lie told enough times that people start believing it?

  I know people, many people, who would buy into that story the second they read it, w/o one drop of skepticism.
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  the 'birdies'

  by Mulan in

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  " "the birdies?

  "one of the birdies came and got you.

  "what did the birdies look like?

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  SixofNine

  Believe me Mulan, I'll be fine, but, lighten up? Religions are built out of crap like this.

  We all know what religions can do for us.