Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Number of anointed partakers in new yearbook?

by JWOP in

i haven't seen the 2014 yearbook on the jw site yet.

i'm looking to see if the number of partakers has increased again (as it has for many years now).

anyone have a scan of it yet?.

notsurewheretogo

Did they not say that most newly anointed are "not quite right in the head"...a la cuckoo...

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Humans are 6,000 years old...promise!

by notsurewheretogo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25193442.

this kind of satanic propaganda is obviously satan "misleading" and changing the evidence to suit...and boy is he good at it and very busy doing it!.

leg bone gives up oldest human dna.

notsurewheretogo

It is actually embarrassing I used to believe humans were just 6,000 years old...

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Humans are 6,000 years old...promise!

by notsurewheretogo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25193442.

this kind of satanic propaganda is obviously satan "misleading" and changing the evidence to suit...and boy is he good at it and very busy doing it!.

leg bone gives up oldest human dna.

notsurewheretogo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25193442

This kind of Satanic propaganda is obviously Satan "misleading" and changing the evidence to suit...and boy is he good at it and very busy doing it!

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Leg bone gives up oldest human DNA
By Paul Rincon

Science editor, BBC News website

The discovery of DNA in a 400,000-year-old human thigh bone will open up a new frontier in the study of our ancestors.

That's the verdict cast by human evolution experts on an analysis in Nature journal of the oldest human genetic material ever sequenced.

The femur comes from the famed "Pit of Bones" site in Spain, which gave up the remains of at least 28 ancient people.

But the results are perplexing, raising more questions than answers about our increasingly complex family tree.

The early human remains from the cave site near the northern Spanish city of Burgos have been painstakingly excavated and pieced together over the course of more than two decades. It has yielded one of the richest assemblages of human bones from this stage of human evolution, in a time called the Middle Pleistocene.

To access the pit (called Sima de los Huesos in Spanish) scientists must crawl for hundreds of metres through narrow cave tunnels and rope down through the dark. The bodies were probably deposited there deliberately - their causes of death unknown.

The fossils carry many traits typical of Neanderthals, and either belong to an ancestral species known as Homo heidelbergensis - or, as the British palaeoanthropologist Chris Stringer suggests - are early representatives of the Neanderthal lineage.

DNA's tendency to break down over time means it has not previously been possible to study the genetics of such ancient members of the human family.

But the recent pace of progress in sequencing technology has astonished many scientists: "Years ago, geneticists said they wouldn't be able to find DNA that was older than 60,000 years old," said co-author Jose Bermudez de Castro, from the National Research Centre for Human Evolution (CENIEH), a member of the team that excavated the fossils.

"Of course, that wasn't true. The techniques have advanced hugely."

Siberia to Iberia

Professor Chris Stringer from the Natural History Museum in London describes the significance of the discovery
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, under the supervision of Prof Svante Paabo, have been helping drive those advances. The success reported in Nature was the result of applying techniques developed for sequencing the degraded DNA found in Neanderthal fossils to even older specimens.

Prof Paabo, the institute's director, said: "Our results show that we can now study DNA from human ancestors that are hundreds of thousands of years old," adding: "It is tremendously exciting."

How does DNA testing work?

The scientists were able to stitch together a near-complete sequence of mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA (the genetic material contained in the tiny "batteries" that power our cells) from the ancient femur. But comparisons of the genetic code with that from other humans, ancient and modern, yielded a surprise.

Rather than showing a relationship between the Spanish specimens and Neanderthals, which might be expected based on their physical features, the mitochondrial DNA was most similar to that found in 40,000 year-old material unearthed thousands of kilometres away at Denisova Cave in Siberia.

The Denisovans were a sister group to the Neanderthals, with distinct genetic characteristics. Identified only by DNA extracted from a tiny finger bone and tooth, they are, as some researchers have remarked, "a genome in search of a fossil" because there are no substantial remains representative of this group.

By using missing mutations in the old DNA sequences, the researchers calculated that the Pit of Bones individual shared a common ancestor with the Denisovans about 700,000 years ago.

So there are several possibilities as to how Denisovan-like DNA could turn up in Middle Pleistocene Spain. Firstly, the mitochondrial DNA type from the pit came from a population ancestral to both the Spanish hominids and to Denisovans.

Secondly, interbreeding between the Pit of Bones people (or their ancestors) and yet another early human species brought the Denisovan-like DNA into this western population. Prof Bermudez de Castro thinks there may be a candidate for this cryptic ancestor: an earlier human species known as Homo antecessor. One million years ago, antecessor inhabited the site of Gran Dolina, just a few hundred metres away from the Pit of Bones.

Prof Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, told BBC News: "We need all the data we can get to build the whole story of human evolution. We can't just build it from stone tools, we can't just build it from the fossils. Having the DNA gives us a whole new way of looking at it."

However, he points out, mtDNA is a small and unusual component of our genetic blueprint, from which only limited conclusions can be drawn. For example, no sign of the interbreeding we now know took place between Neanderthals and modern humans remains in the mtDNA of modern people.

To get the full picture, scientists had to sequence nuclear DNA (that kept in the nuclei of cells) from Neanderthals and compare it with that in present-day populations. Likewise, the true relationships between the Pit people and other ancient populations may only be known if and when nuclear DNA is available.

This will be a challenge given the age of the Spanish fossils, but their good state of preservation - largely a product of the fairly constant temperature inside the cave - gives hope.

"That is our next big thing here, to sequence at least part of the nuclear genome from the individual in the Sima de los Huesos," Svante Paabo told BBC News.

"This will answer definitively the question of how they are related to Neanderthals, modern humans and Denisovans."

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New "Generations" WT Study Article in 2014??

by daringhart13 in

i see people mentioning this and have visited the site looking at all posted wt's.......i see no paragraph's discussing 'generations'....does anyone have any direction?.

notsurewheretogo

@rubadubdub...a 20 year old Mark Sanderson is anointed? Don't think so and even the GB don't think so...in the 2014 article they say:

" Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years."

Thus they say the SECOND group that overlapped with the FIRST group are well along in years rather than in their 50's...

And what does this mean for a good jdub? Well if the second group will see the start of the end and they are advanced in years NOW then the big G & T and Big A is right around the corner...promise!

Cuckoo....

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New "Generations" WT Study Article in 2014??

by daringhart13 in

i see people mentioning this and have visited the site looking at all posted wt's.......i see no paragraph's discussing 'generations'....does anyone have any direction?.

notsurewheretogo

Really? Thought it was first mentioned in 2010 and there is mention of it in the January 15th 2014 Study Edition of the WT...

The original mention is here:

Watchtower (Study Edition), April 15th, 2010 Issue, Pages 27-29: "This magazine has long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave” as the primary channel for dispensing increased light. ... What does this explanation mean to us? Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation must be near. By maintaining your sense of urgency and keeping on the watch, you show that you are keeping up with advancing light and following the leadings of holy spirit.—Mark 13:37."

The 2014 WT has this:

15 In his detailed prophecy about the conclusion of this system of things, Jesus said: “ This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. ” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The ﬁrst group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. —Rom. 8:14-17. 16

The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the ﬁrst group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the ﬁrst group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the ﬁrst group were still on earth. (implying that this second group are made up of pretty old people)

Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us conﬁdence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.

This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.

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Elders oath

by Crazyguy in

is it true that the elders swear an oath when made elders and what is this oath???

?.

notsurewheretogo

Special handshake???? Lol

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Pecking Order in the Millennium

by Cold Steel in

okay, the smoke has cleared.

everyone's dead who had it coming and the remainder find that their bodies have been changed.

no more disease, no more aging, no more human weaknesses and the weather is perfect.

notsurewheretogo

Princes....the Society teaches that these "earthly princes" will lead us and they are none other than the current holy spirit appointed elders...naturally they will take the lead from the 144,000 who will communicate with them...

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How Long Will ARMAGEDDON Last?

by Cold Steel in

according to the jw doctrine, can armageddon happen any day now?

is it possible that it could happen tomorrow?.

will it last minutes, hours, days?

notsurewheretogo

It is very simple if you are believing JW.

The UN will attack religion which starts the Great Tribulaton that Jesus spoke about...the UN will continue to destroy religion and the bible says false religion will go down "in one hour" meaning a very short peroid of time.

The JW's will be the last religion and Satan will egg on his army to attack these defenceless people and then Jehovah steps in...this is the start of Armageddon where Jesus and the angels, along with the natural elements will destroy all non-believers and abyss Satan and his demons.

Again this would be a rather short peroid of time.

So the answer, according to the WT has always been that the Great Tribulation and Armageddon will be a very short time peroid.

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Leaps of Logic

by FadeToBlack in

from the march 1, 2010 wt:.

is the bible the word of god?.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3:16, 17.. .

notsurewheretogo

Matthew 24:34: "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

The GB explaination on this scripture:

"How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation."

I am still waiting for why this is "evident" that Jesus meant this...leaps of logic indeed except there is no logic...

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"They're only human!" (the most common defence of the Governing Body)

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjk3eyd7ee.

notsurewheretogo

They are human...when on their own they may think bad thoughts, say wrong things etc like any other sinful creature...

HOWEVER, as a GROUP they claim to be God's Channel and they CAN NEVER fall foul to being wrong so whenever they come together and the Holy Spirit guides them, then, as a GROUP, they will never be wrong.

*Checks the history of the WT*

Hmmmmmmmm seems their claim to be God's Channel is false.

In summary, yes they are men and when acting like men/husbands they are imperfect but when acting as the GB/FDS they can never be wrong UNLESS God/HS is wrong...