Posts by notsurewheretogo

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The Present Truth is the Truth and the Old Truth is the Truth, even if they contradict.

by garyneal in

that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.

the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.

so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.

notsurewheretogo

When a doctrine is released who is the author?

Jehoover? If so then he is a god of falsehood since he teaches lies...

If doctrines are from men and Jehoover then approves or refines them then dubs are following men and they shouldn't trust them.

Either way, whatever answer, god cannot be directing them.

Whilst the members of the GB are imperfect men, when they come together and IF Holy Spirit is directing them then they can never ever be wrong unless a) the Holy Spirit is wrong or b) the Holy Spirit* is not directing them.

You can't have your cake and eat it, the GB cannot say they are being directed by god if they get things wrong unless everyone accepts the premesis that god teaches wrong things.

* The holy spirit doesn't exist, nor does god, satan, angels or any of this nonsense but for purposes to reason with a dub I include it... :)

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morning-after drug - any members with thoughts?

by berrygerry in

internally, being a father of many children, and being present for ultrasounds and other testing, etc., i appreciate the value of life.. as i understand it, the after-morning pill essentially terminates a 1 or 2 day old conception.. are there any thoughts about this?.

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notsurewheretogo

In the UK no it doesn't...

My still-in wife and me out for 3 years have 3 kids...and twice in the last few months we have had "accidents" which required the morning after pill.

In the UK, at the pharmacy, you have a little interview to make sure you know the score and my wife clarified with them that it doesn't allow fertilisation. The morning after pill in the UK does two things....stops an egg being released and if an egg is already present it won't allow the sperm to fertilise it.

Not sure about other countries or different types of morning after pill but in the UK it is safe for the dubs...

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Would YOU Have Refused Blood To Remain Faithful To Your JW Beliefs?

by minimus in

i believe that most witnesses would refuse blood to show their faithfulness to jehovah's law on blood transfusions....( that sounds silly, huh?).

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notsurewheretogo

I missed that thread from you Cofty, thanks for linking it here...

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Would YOU Have Refused Blood To Remain Faithful To Your JW Beliefs?

by minimus in

i believe that most witnesses would refuse blood to show their faithfulness to jehovah's law on blood transfusions....( that sounds silly, huh?).

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notsurewheretogo

Life is precious...blood in the bible represents life...it is a symbol of life.

So I, an many others, were willing to uphold a view that God has on the SYMBOL of something to the cost of the very thing that it symbolizes.

MENTAL.

I love my wife, we have a marriage...we have wedding rings which are a symbol of our marriage...would I give up my wedding rings to save my marriage?

Yes...

Would I give my my marriage to save my wedding rings? Of course not, then why would a god want us to hold dear his view of the symbol of life at a cost of our very lives in itself?

It just doesn't stand to logic let alone any debate as to what the bible really says about it.

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Evolution and spirits

by Chris Tann in

as of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.

however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.

i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.

notsurewheretogo

There are no spirits...no ghouls, ghosts, vampires, werewolves, mummys etc...you know why I know that?

Because in 2014, where there are more mobile devices that can capture photos and videos in HD than there are people on the planet, and not one has caught one picture/video of evidence.

I'm not sure where you say you have seen video footage but it will most likely be fake. There are no pictures or videos of anything supernatural (although there may be some that have a rational explanation but we don't know it)...ergo these things don't exist.

As others have mentioned superstition or psychology can be shown to explain these things.

Also, my logic also applies to a god...there has not been any evidence from the 20 billion people who have ever lived to prove a god exists, he remains hidden. Again he doesn't exist.

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JW Info-Commercial Memorial Service

by William Penwell in

i attended a jw memorial service about 2 years ago and the speaker i thought gave a good eulogy to the diseased even though he quoted a few scriptures.

just recently i attended another jw memorial and the sermon was about 10 minutes on the person and the rest a big info-commercial with a scripture quoted one after the other.

i did not keep count but i would think the speaker read about 10 - 12 scriptures.

notsurewheretogo

I did the memorial talk years ago and made sure I read as little scriptures as possible...many came up and said they prefered that...in my public talks I would read 3 or 4 scriptures...no more...yet some rattle off 20+ in memorial talks or public talks...

You will find people who were thinkers and really put effort into their talks end up in places like here and are out...whilst those that just droned on from n outline are still in...

Cult behaviour.

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GB Doesnt Believe in 1914 Anymore My reasoning

by thedepressedsoul in

i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

notsurewheretogo

This is a good thread, different viewpoints but all constructive.

I agree with Baltar's last comment too...we are probably more obessed about this that the average dub and the GB!

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Two Tests Before Everlasting Life?

by lambsbottom in

so, even if jws of the great crowd are found faithful and sparred at armageddon, they still have to prove faithful at the final judgement at the end of 1,000 years, right?

or, are jws of the great crowd assured they will pass the final judgement.

two tests doesnt sound fair!.

notsurewheretogo

The reasoning being though that if you survived the Greatest Tribulatuion ever and the Big A then you most likely pass a lesser tribulation in the test at the end of 1000 years thus no dub thinks that you can survive the Big A and then fail the 1000 year test...whilst technically you could they reason its highly unlikely.

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GB Doesnt Believe in 1914 Anymore My reasoning

by thedepressedsoul in

i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

notsurewheretogo

Sorry but I disagree with OneEyedJoe, Baltar and Oubliette...the GB know they need to prove their appointment thus 1919 is core, they showed that with the new light on the F&DS...whilst they can try and diminish 1914 1919 is important to any new bible study...new ones will not accept this bull without their convoluted explanation as to how they got appointed...in 1919. Whilst already-in dubs may not care the next generation do...

Therefore my reasoning still stands...they can do away with 1914 but 1919 is only 5 years on and is important in their proof that they are appointed. Thus as the years roll on I suspect they will still hold on to 1919 but have further whacky new light...

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GB Doesnt Believe in 1914 Anymore My reasoning

by thedepressedsoul in

i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

notsurewheretogo

We all know they need to drop 1914 sooner or later to survive but their new "understanding" of who is the Faithful & Discreet Slave points to 1919 as a date thus this recent nu-lite is using a date only 5 years after 1914 so if they have to get rid of 1914 then 1919 will need to go too at some point and they will look very foolish if they hace to revise nu-lite...nu-nu-lite if you will...