Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Ladies: Circumcision or not?

by Wonderment in

the topic of circumcision has been brought up a few times recently.

then i wondered... .

how do women really view circumcision?

notsurewheretogo

Disagree with many on here...I asked to be circumcised when in my 30's and the difference is as day and night in terms of my sexual health and sensitivity.

Without a foreskin is so much better. In my experience.

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Conversation with JW mom on this years memorial date and Nissan 14 discrepancy.

by Question_Mans_interpretation in

i'm having an ongoing texting conversation with my mom right now on the march 23rd memorial date.

she completely goes into cult mode.. me: why is the memorial on march 23rd this year and not april 22nd/23rd when the corresponding nissan 14 commences?

since when did the organization stop following the jewish calendar for passover?.

notsurewheretogo

But is it an overlapping leap year???????

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Conversation with JW mom on this years memorial date and Nissan 14 discrepancy.

by Question_Mans_interpretation in

i'm having an ongoing texting conversation with my mom right now on the march 23rd memorial date.

she completely goes into cult mode.. me: why is the memorial on march 23rd this year and not april 22nd/23rd when the corresponding nissan 14 commences?

since when did the organization stop following the jewish calendar for passover?.

In trying to follow Exodus 12:2, Exodus 13:3-4, 7-10, and Numbers 9:2-3, Judaism says that Passover, which they celebrate on Nisan 15 rather than on Nisan 14, must not fall before the northern hemisphere spring equinox (Tekufot Nisan). The spring equinox currently occurs each year on March 20th or 21st and is that time when day and night are of approximately equal length. The spring equinox establishes the first day of spring. It is a solar, not a lunar, phenomenon.

But current Jewish calendar procedures periodically conflict with the use of the equinox to establish the first month of the religious year:

In 2016, Nisan 14 (Passover) can fall on March 22, the first opportunity for the 14th day of a Biblical month to occur after the equinox. But the Jewish calendar sets Nisan 14 at April 22nd. Why? Because the Jewish year 5776 (the spring months of 2016 fall within the Jewish year 5776) happens to be the 19th year of the 19-year calendar cycle and is then, by Judaic definition, a leap year (the 13th month must be added). This forces the first month to begin one month later than it normally would. Unfortunately, their calendar leap year tradition is so rigid that they fail to follow what we agree is the correct interpretation of the scriptures listed above, that God gave them, which strongly imply that the Passover must be kept at the first opportunity on or after the spring equinox.

What allows them to ignore their own calendar rules? One reason they feel free to adjust the calendar to their liking is because Leviticus 23:2 and 4 are interpreted by Jewish Oral Law as saying that the people are allowed to keep the Holy Days on whatever day is most convenient.

It should be pointed out that the Jewish calendar leap year designations are NOT Biblical.

Let's add a little more detail: The spring equinox occurs on March 20th at 4:40 PM, Jerusalem time. The Jewish calendar calculates the new moon of Adar II (the 13th month of the previous religious calendar year) to be at 9:31 PM on March 8th and, due to the postponements of the previous Tishri 1, March 11th as the first day of the month. Either day will place the 14th day of Adar II on or after the spring equinox and thus the month should be Nisan (Abib), not Adar II. The result of this error is that the Jewish calendar is ONE MONTH LATE from March 2016 through March 2017! By making 5776 a leap year, they ignore the fact that, by their own interpretation of the Torah, Passover must be observed at the first opportunity on or after the spring equinox. This is the way the lunar calendar is kept synchronized with the solar calendar, and is an essential part in keeping the Passover (and every other Holy Day) in its season.

But some may wonder why it matters when Abib occurs, as long as it is in the spring. One of the major justifications why Abib should be assigned to the first qualifying month relative to the spring equinox is that there needs to be a consistency between years so that crops will be in approximately the same stage of development at the same time each year. The importance of the maturity of grain for the wave-sheaf offering (Lev. 23:9-14) is obvious. Another reason is that the one month delay will push the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) too late and too close to the Israeli fall rainy season. For this reason we should avoid delaying Abib until the second month after the equinox as the Jewish calendar does in 2016. It is peculiar how the spring equinox is called "Tekufot Nisan", but when a conflict with the designated leap year occurs, the equinox is forced to fall in Adar II, not Nisan.

The Church of God Most High believes that the first day of every month must begin at the true conjunction of the sun and moon (the new moon) and that Passover (Abib or Nisan 14) must occur at the first opportunity on or after the spring equinox. That places Abib 1 on March 9th and Tishri 1 on September 1st. The result of all this is that in 2016 the Jewish calendar will keep the holydays one lunar month late.

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Why do EX-JW's try to argue the bible/doctrine with JW's?

by thedepressedsoul in

i've watched a few judicial committee videos on youtube.

they all start out great but eventually the person starts to bring out bible teachings and doctrine.

i understand that 99% of their teachings are complete crap, but to me it's a pointless battle.. as a jw growing up i remember being on countless calls where a jw would argue the trinity with the householder.

notsurewheretogo

Doctrine v doctrine is one thing but when you bring up flaws within their own doctrine without comparing or stating you believe in another doctrine plants a seed as @the girl next door says...and eventually that can lead to a dub asking questions about their own doctrine for if every dub, before they become a dub, reviews and researches the WT doctrine on its own, do you think they would still become dubs?

No.

Whilst you will never get a JW walking away by pointing out the errors in JW doctrines because they believe that the GB are in Jehoovers hands you are planting a doubt about that very point...and once they get to the point that they contemplate that the GB are NOT in Jehoovers hands or the society is NOT Jehoovers channel used on earth then the house of cards comes tumbling down fast but the starting process is very small.

An excellent way I use with my wife is to pull apart other religions doctrines the same way I would the JW's by saying the new light method doesn't work and can't be the truth or mention the child abuse and policies and whilst not referring to JW land the point is the penny might drop that JW doctrines fail like all religions doctrines fail.

Point is though, doctrine bashing will not result in a JW walking away...if done in a mild manner it can lay the groundwork for doubts.

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What Happens To You When You Die?

by minimus in

jw
friends

are our dead loved ones watching over us at all or are they really just gone now?

notsurewheretogo

Evidence suggests that when you die you cease to exist...just like before you were born.

The fact that a) no-one has come back from the dead or b) there is any tangible, reliable proof of any supernatural existence forces us to conclude the state of the dead.

Whether we choose to accept that or "believe" in something more is up to each of us but it will never be based on evidence...thus the real answer is "we don't know".

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THOUGHTS ON UPGRADING TO (Free) WINDOWS 10

by Terry in

jw
friends

i've been using windows 7 for several years and have had no complaints.. i've tried many browsers and settled on google chrome.

it has absolutely everything i want or need.. i kept hearing about the free upgrade to windows 10, so i went to youtube and watched endless "reviews" pro and con.. what pushed me over the (microsoft edge) was the fact i could test drive the new operating system.

for 30 days and go back to windows 7 if i didn't like it!

notsurewheretogo

You are forced to receive updates, you cannot decline them...

And the amount of syncing of data back to MS servers even though you disable things defies belief...

W10 is a big no no

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A great suggestion from a current Bethelite on the chopping block

by Gilbeath Haaraloth in

a very close friend of mine has gotten his letter.

although he was planning to leave willingly, he told me that he can't help but feel a sense of being stabbed in the back by a bunch of self righteous traitors.

he gave tours for years, always telling the visitors "this is the best way of life, i would never change anything here and i'll never regret making this decision to come here.

notsurewheretogo

Gilbeath is now happy that DJS has proved to him/her that all of us are bitter, mentally diseased apostates! Lol

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A great suggestion from a current Bethelite on the chopping block

by Gilbeath Haaraloth in

a very close friend of mine has gotten his letter.

although he was planning to leave willingly, he told me that he can't help but feel a sense of being stabbed in the back by a bunch of self righteous traitors.

he gave tours for years, always telling the visitors "this is the best way of life, i would never change anything here and i'll never regret making this decision to come here.

notsurewheretogo

It has been so long for a funny thread on here, what was the name of that cross-dressing black singer who claimed he was the Messiah? He was fun...

Whilst this is all a bit weird...my gut tells me DJS has a point...

Circumsion? What's wrong with it in adulthood? Is it only getting it done as a child you oppose? I "chose" to get it done when I was an adult and am very happy I did so!

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QUICK! Questions to ask MARK SANDERSON!!!!!!!

by TeenageInsider in

quickly!!.

mark sanderson at a regional assembly.. i will find him and ask him questings.. please quickly leave questions you want me to ask.. i will record and post updates!!!!.

hurry..

notsurewheretogo

How can you and all others be part of the overlapping generation when all of you were helpers and the 1992 WT said all helpers were of the other sheep meaning none of the current GB overlapped with Fred Franz as anointed?

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

notsurewheretogo

@pandorasbox1914

I agree with you in everything and know where you are coming from but your point is irrelevant to a still in dub as they see a scripture used to "prove" the overlapping nonsense. End of. You can't reason with people who believe that 8 men are in God's hands as no matter what they say it is always right even without proof.

Cult speak.