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  Oi Cofty

  by Landy in

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  new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.

  sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.

  serves yourself right for voting for trump!

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  notsurewheretogo

  What I can't understand from unionists is two things. First of all why impugn the motives of those you disagree with? Why can't supporters of independence simply be what they appear to be: those who happen think the best people to make choices about the government of Scotland are the people who live in Scotland? Why all this nonsense about ambition, braveheart and anti-English nonsense? The campaign was about the NHS, the EU, pro-immigration, proper use of oil and renewable resources, choosing own government, getting rid of Trident and so on.
  Second thing is the utter conviction unionists seem to have that Scotland governing itself could be nothing other than an unmitigated disaster. What is it about Scotland or the people who live in Scotland that makes you so convinced they could not successfully govern themsleves? Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Ireland, Luxembourg - all very successful small countries. But Scotland we are told would be a disaster. Why of all nations are we uniquely incapable?

  1) But you are labelling me/others a unionist...I'm not...I would love an independent Scotland...just has to be done right...the SNP have fudged figures and facts to support their cause...the real facts show the real picture. Not everyone who voted no wants Scotland to remain the UK, many of us did so because a SNP ruled Scotland is a disaster. If another party actually published a manifesto that worked I would vote yes.

  2) Economics...pure and simple...we spend too much and don't earn enough...if we went independent then austerity measures the likes that would put Greece to shame would have to be implemented...ironic given that Sturgeon lashed out at Cameron over his austerity measures.
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  Oi Cofty

  by Landy in

  1. social
  2. current

  new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.

  sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.

  serves yourself right for voting for trump!

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  notsurewheretogo

  The referendum campaign was about avoiding another Iraq war, removing Trident weapons of mass destruction, saving the NHS, staying in the EU, pro-immigration, Scotland getting the governments it votes for.

  
  

  Utter nonsense...the lies and non-facts coming from the SNP, backed by the BBC in Scotland shows their true colours...they want to be independent irrelevant of the damage it does to Scotland or the people in it. They are hellbent in making a name for themselves at all cost....at the cost of all sensibleness and reasonableness.
  

  If the 2014 ref had gone YES we would be in deep trouble....Nicoliar is still spouting things off that are not just untrue but warped to support her cause.

  
  

  SBF, I thought you could see all this like the 55% of us who said NO...we especially given we can see through the lies because we have done so with the WT!

  
  

  I'm still utterly baffled how anyone can support the SNP unless it is just the Braveheart factor because everything they say is not backed up by fact and everything they want to achieve will utterly damage everything about Scotland and its people, its economy etc.
  
  
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  Oi Cofty

  by Landy in

  1. social
  2. current

  new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.

  sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.

  serves yourself right for voting for trump!

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  notsurewheretogo

  Can I say...Amen Cofty? :)
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  Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  i'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.

  in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.

  again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Yes...negative reinforcement...just makes the JW more convinced they are right.

  But I also understand why some who leave feel they need to vent...but it never results in anything good.
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  Mexico branch......Now closing!!!

  by krismalone in

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  a circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.

  i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!

  this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.

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  notsurewheretogo

  We need proper confirmation via published letters about the closure of the Mexican branch but more importantly the change in Circuit Overseers to support themselves as that seems very unlikely.
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  The Governing Body are doubling down on dogma!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in case you were wondering if the governing body we're going to become kinder and gentler, the answer is a big "no!!!

  in the current study edition of the wt magazine, the sheeple are reminded of some very important key points.

  1) god has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.. 2) only the gb/faithful slave can dispense spiritual food and only the gb/faithful slave can interpret the bible.. 3) individual dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.. 4) god requires "unity of doctrine.

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  1) God has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.
  2) ONLY the GB/Faithful Slave can dispense spiritual food and only the GB/Faithful slave can interpret the Bible.
  3) Individual Dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.
  4) God requires "unity of doctrine." [ Guardians of Doctrine?!?! ]

  But when you add their comment that they can get things wrong and that they are not inspired and are not infallible then the above 4 points make zero sense.
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  help me think like an elder

  by Homer notsimpson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok guys, i have been tasked to ask for your opinions regarding this case.. and be honest.

  my brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago, they never dated, and she got mad at him.... she got engaged and the engagement ended in august.. she attempted suicide, then talked to the elders an told him she was gonna tell on him too, now that was in august, the sister told my brother that since she didn't know his hall they couldn't do anything.. we found that doesn't seem right, so hes been freaking out, but ita now two days away from 2017 and the elders haven't speaked to him yet.. why could that be?

  could they give him all this time to confess?

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  notsurewheretogo

  First of all she will need to explain what is sexting to the elders..

  
  

  No, there is an elders letter about sexting

  
  

  So they will ask to see the nude messages? The elders will ask to see the person naked?

  
  

  Well who has them? The sister? They may ask to see them on her phone but again your brother can deny he sent them, and no they will not ask to see someone naked...ever.
  
  
  
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  help me think like an elder

  by Homer notsimpson in

  1. jw
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  ok guys, i have been tasked to ask for your opinions regarding this case.. and be honest.

  my brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago, they never dated, and she got mad at him.... she got engaged and the engagement ended in august.. she attempted suicide, then talked to the elders an told him she was gonna tell on him too, now that was in august, the sister told my brother that since she didn't know his hall they couldn't do anything.. we found that doesn't seem right, so hes been freaking out, but ita now two days away from 2017 and the elders haven't speaked to him yet.. why could that be?

  could they give him all this time to confess?

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  notsurewheretogo

  I had a case in our hall when I was an elder when a married woman admitted after a talk about honesty that she gave oral sex to many boys when she was growing up in a different hall.

  Whilst we helped her and her husband (who naturally was miffed) through it we had the duty to notify the other congregation of the boys, teenagers, what had happened.

  We sent a letter...heard nothing...no action was ever taken against them.

  Tell your brother to deny it, even if she saved the picture just get your brother to say he lost his phone for a while so any messages he never sent.

  There is no way in hell they would write to the branch over a minor issue like this.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  notsurewheretogo

  But what has any of this to do with your original question? You asked why we had beef with the WT?

  That has been answered. You are determined to apportion the blame of child abuse in JW congregations away from the WT hierarchy.
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  Hello

  by midnight in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i am posting for the first time although i've been looking for a few years , i was born into a witness family left when i was 12 with my parents went back at 22 pioneered became ms started to have major doubts around 2002 when there was a lot of talk about blood fractions etc have been hit and miss since i'm extremely mentally confused as to wether or not this really is jehovah's earthly organisation , i find life hard facing up to mortality etc not having the new system hope , what nailed your decision to leave ?

  how did you cope with world problems on news etc ?

  how did you fill the void ?

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  notsurewheretogo

  Hey midnight...glad you posted.

  First off I would recommend that you do research, jwfacts.com, threads on here and other sites to really clarify your belief in that if the JW's are God's organisation. If you are on the fence with that, whether you are unsure or not I found makes life hard.

  As soon as I fully convinced through fact and reason that there is no way it can be God's organisation then life becomes much more enjoyable.

  The prospect of dying, world news etc is tough at the start but it goes away because you realize you can really enjoy your life now, fill the void with things you like, travelling, hobbies, friends and family etc.

  But given where you are I would advise you really sort out in your head whether it is God's organisation, I can tell you it is not but you need to come to that conclusion yourself and then it is like a veil being lifted.

  A book that really helped me was Captives to a Concept by Don Cameron...you can get it in PDF format off the internet, it really was wonderful in helping me see that God is not using the JW's.

  And welcome, there are a good bunch of exjw's here who have all gone through this process, we can all help each other.