Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Quote where the WT said leave the research to us?

by notsurewheretogo in

has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?.

i know in the september 2007 km they warned about independent study groups but i'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the gb?.

Quote where the WT said leave the research to us?

by notsurewheretogo in

has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?.

i know in the september 2007 km they warned about independent study groups but i'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the gb?.

notsurewheretogo

Has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?

I know in the September 2007 KM they warned about independent study groups but I'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the GB?

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Interesting point about elders appointment by holy spirit (apostacy case)

by joe134cd in

i was just listening to a jc for apostasy on jwstruggle.

the issue was raised if elders are appointed by holy spirit, then why is there such an issue with sex abuse.

the answer was given (and i thought it was quite true) well jesus was the son of god and he appointed judas under holy spirit, just to have him turn on him.

notsurewheretogo

The problem is though that some JW's are secret child abusers and THEN they become appointed and that is when you question any operation of this magical non-entity like force called Holy Spirit.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

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heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

notsurewheretogo

Is the GB spirit directed? They answer "Yes"

When the GB release new light does it have the backing of the Holy Spirit? They will answer "Yes"

So who got the old light wrong? Jehoover/Holy Spirit or men?

If they answer Jehoover then he is a god of falsehood so bye bye.

If they answer men then the bible warns about following men...how can we then trust them that they have it right now and how can we obediently follow them 100% IF they get it wrong and Jehoover THEN corrects them with new light?

You can't have your cake and eat it...it's either Jehoover teaches us falsehood or the men are not directed by Holy Spirit...either way equates to having nothing to do with the JW's.

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'great crowd' are in the temple (naos) but not in the new covenant???

by fukitol in

in one of the biggest about-faces in watchtower history, in a 2002 question from readers it was admitted that the great crowd is indeed in the temple itself (naos) in revelation 7. .

but notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient israel.

the statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the law covenant.

notsurewheretogo

You have highlighted the issue and highlighted a solution...interesting.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

notsurewheretogo

Pointless...just reaffirms in a dubs mind that they have "the truth" since those who leave or have issues with the WT are bitter, mentally diseased apostates.

Stunts like this just push people further in or sway those that have doubts back to the side of the WT...

This kind of active activism just does not work...

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

notsurewheretogo

I've just read the OP and all comments...Cofty's OP is spot on to try and reason with a still-in dub on their own terms...

This method may work but only as many have mentioned that the dub has a measure of doubt that they have "the truth".

What others have alluded to is the question whether this subject will actually speed up or start the "awake" process that we all have gone through.

And there is no right answer to that, some may...some may not...but the point is Cofty's OP cannot hurt because even if the dub defends the WT on this subject and refutes in his mind the argument it WILL be a building block for another doubt and when added up will help the person wake up.

This was my journey, not really one thing that woke me up but continual reading on sites like these that, when added up, I knew it was not "the truth".

Thus whilst Cofty's reasoning may not start the awake process with someone it will be a building block to it if they continue to research or query things...

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I'm confused about the Memorial? Great crowd?

by thedepressedsoul in

this was my first memorial thinking outside of the box.

last year i was starting to have questions but this is the first year i noticed a lot of bs.

can anyone clarify a few things for me?.

notsurewheretogo

Thing is...there was no dip...it was just dry bread...said this to my still-in wife as she looked in horror as I snacked on a bit of unleavened bread...surely Jebus would have used dip????

I guess my wife won't invite me again to the memorial!

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In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

by stuckinarut2 in

what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

notsurewheretogo

This teaching about spirit mediums:

From 1920 WT publication "Talking with the Dead":

p. 116 Materializations
"These materializations occur by a power which the demons posess of being able to draw out of the mediums body connected streams of the cells of which her body is composed, and then changing the form of these living cells into any desired appearance. They thus transform the medium into a hideous octopus-like creature, and this is the reason seances occur in a dimly lit room, with the medium in a cabinet, so that the circle of investigators cannot witness the horrible scene as it really is."

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If the Jehovah's Witnesses were really the Faithful & Discrete Slave active today, they wouldn't be full of Bullshit

by Finkelstein in

if the watchtower corporation and the jehovah's witnesses were really the faithful & discrete slave active today, they wouldn't be full of bullshit .. this is a logical statement given the history of this religious institute / publishing house.

i said it before and i'll say it again, that the majority of the doctrines created by the wts were intensionally focused toward enhancing the proliferation of the wts own publications.

this has been a constant underlining agenda for the wts all throughout the last century, the end of the 19th century and still to this day.

notsurewheretogo

The FDS theory/doctrine/prophecy is easily blown out of the water...I've said this to still-in dubs and they hate with a passion what I say to them because it is undeniable.

Ask them do the FDS have the truth and proclaim it? Yes they say...

Ask them so the statement "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" or "The Generation that saw 1914 will see the end of the system of thing" are truth? They were they will say but now new light has been revealed...

Ask them so the old light on the two points that I mentioned, who were the author of those two points? Jehoover or the GB? I.E. Did those old light points have the backing of the Holy Spirit? They will most likely say Jehoover but even if they say the GB you have them....

If the old light was backed by HS and Jehoover then He is a God of Falsehood so bye bye...if the GB are the author of the old light and Jehoover refines the teaching then the JW's are followers of men and the bible warns against that.

Conclude by reinforcing the point by saying that there could be doctrines now they believe that are considered "truth" that will get new light...thus God is a liar or the GB are not backed by HS.

Some might say "Ah yes but the GB are just imperfect men" and that statement is true, as individuals they are imperfect and may say a naughty word when they hit their toe or do a double take when a large breasted woman walks in front of them but as a group, when they come together as the GB/FDS, they can never ever be wrong IF they are backed by HS.

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