i was listening to a lunchtime call in radio show about jws and the personal experiences of being disfellowshiped, and a former elder called in saying he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws and their involvement in the un in the 1990s ,and he just said look it up.. thinking that it was a made up lie ,so i looked it up and it was true even a letter confirming it from the un itself and that led me here and to jwfacts and further research into the history and teachings of jw and walked out the door about 5 years ago.
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607 BCE is not the destruction of Jerusalem. Once I researched it and fully debunked the nonsense the WT believes the whole house of cards falls down.
607 not true...1914 not true...1919 not true...FDS appointed is now just their own interpretation and therefore no "god" is directing the GB and everything they say is not directed or inspired...something they now admit.
607 being wrong was the key for me.
if you have not seen this already it is well worth a watch.. brutally traumatic and captures very well one of the biggest issues in this cult.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndapjdzj0ss.
If you have not seen this already it is well worth a watch.
Brutally traumatic and captures very well one of the biggest issues in this cult.
awake 1976 - should a pocket calculator be in your pocket?.
somehow this totally zany 'bible based' article passed me by first time around!.
anyone remember it?.
Vibrating pocket calculators may be what they were referring to?
become a circuit overseer in your mid to late 20's.
you would have had to qualify as an elder previously.
this would mean the male would have had to have been an elder in his early 20's.
I had a relative who became a CO and Branch Overseer very young in his late 20s after graduating from Gilead.
He was removed in his mid-30s.
Funny I know of a same experience.
Brother elder at 24 then temp CO at 29. He broke himself at 35 and ended up leaving and coming out as gay.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
I've been "out" from all thing Cedars for a while as I can't stand going near his YT channel.
Can someone summarise his Pateron and Youtube content creation? Is he creating just enough of his shit to keep money coming in? Are people waking up (lol) to his shit and stop donating?
the new study article 28 watchtower that has just been published on jw.org is about apostate lies and introduces new concepts in their effort to compat apostasy in the congregations.
so despite the loosening of their recent disfellowshipping rules their fight against apostates is still raging hard.
according to the foreword of this article, they will concentrate on :.
To strengthen our fear of Jehovah, we need to focus on pleasing him in every decision we make. (Ps. 16:8) As you read Bible accounts, ask yourself, ‘If I had been in that situation, what decision would I have made?’ For example, picture yourself listening as the ten Israelite chieftains gave their negative report. Would you have believed the report and given in to the fear of man, or would your love for Jehovah and your desire to please him have won out? An entire generation of Israelites failed to recognize the truth that Joshua and Caleb spoke. As a result, they lost the opportunity to enter the Promised Land.​—Num. 14:10, 22, 23.
The issue is though Joshua and Caleb never changed their viewpoint or meaning nor did they say that they were not inspired and can make errors in their reports.
The GB did so you cannot levy the same trust to the GB as Joshua and Caleb.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
That Twitter post is just begging for a reply from @cedarsjwsurvey
just a moment ago irán started to attack israel, guess they're gonna end in ruins because israel has a way better army than other country in the region and the support of the us....hope the gas prices don't increase too much.... wonder how the borg gonna spin it..
Iranian drones raining down on Israel...shot down by the UK/US.
Iranian drones raining down on Ukraine...sorry we can't do anything.
yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?
they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?
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Well a lot of CSA are "waiting" on Jehoover to sort out the child abuse issues but nothing seems to be happening ergo I don't think he exists or cares.
Waiting on a god is a copout.
probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
TO ALL OPPONENTS AND CRITICS OF 607 BCE
In all of my many decades in the pursuit of scholarship pertaining to 607 BCE whether from scholars or our critics I have not read any scholarship that disproves that 607 BCE was not the date for the Fall of Jerusalem. I have read every piece of literature published in English from the fifties to date and have not found a one, single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE for the Fall.
My challenge on this forum is for any such opponent or critic to show such proof that 607 BCE is not the date for the Fall of Jerusalem by means of at least one line of evidence. Surely, that is not too much to ask?
scholar JW
This has been done so many times and you continue to reject based on your cognitive dissonance.
It's pointless when you refuse to accept EVERYONE ELSE's factual evidence and rely on your own interpretation.
You are in the minority with your view and 587 is backed up factually by a plethora of SME's in the field.
