united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
this is what the love.
observe his commandments;.
blondie-
600 plus laws in the Law is not “micromanaging”?The WTS has even more “laws” for the same reason the Talmud was developed, the religious leaders could not allow the rank and file to choose.
...unless, of course, the rank and file want to leave...which by the way...they have always been able to blondie.
well i figured i should give you all an update.
they will be dfing me soon for apostasy.
it is not a huge surprise and i am not afraid nor "shaking in my boots", however i will admit it is stressful right now.
opus dei - "It is one of the greatest heresies I ever read in my life."
...this must be because you trully understand the way the holy spirit works...right?
...may I ask where or from whom you recieved such education regarding the holy spirit?
interesting stuff in the november wt.
note this dishonest quote:.
during his ministry, jesus.
retro-
As well as being unable to maintain your line of argument it seems you misuse the words "evidence" and "reason". All your point comes down to "you are wrong, Christ Alone is wrong, I'm right whatever faith is based on" without a shred of support let alone evidence.
-as to your first point, you only gave me two choices
"So please tell, are you an apostate, or do you base your faith on evidence and reason? "
...again...i won't call myself an apostate..hence the second choice...
as for the second point...well...as you can see, i too used the same "evidence" and "reason" that christ alone presented forth...
just re-discovered this gem:.
"it is a matter of fact that the history of the watchtower society is riddled with failed date-setting and abandoned doctrine,1 and the society has gone to great lengths to hide this past from its members.
older (incriminating) watchtower publications are virtually impossible to obtain through the society,2 while at the same time members are overwhelmed with "current" watchtower material.. the watchtower society has even gone as far as to publish disinformation about its own history in an attempt to convince readers that watchtower doctrine has remained consistent over the years, and that the society is not a false prophet.
christ alone - “But, is it true you have never published a biography of Pastor Russell? … That’s right.
...so this proves that...the watchtower DID write a biography of Russell years before...
sherilyn-
"It is because of my love for others that I do read some of the articles," -
...sherilyn...so that i may follow your line of thinking...you WON'T read the magazines for the purpose that they are intended, but you WILL read them anyways because you love others...
...i can assure you that when you curl up by the fireplace with watchtower in hand your loved ones are not getting the message...is it any wonder that they won't stop asking you when will you get back to the JWs?
just re-discovered this gem:.
"it is a matter of fact that the history of the watchtower society is riddled with failed date-setting and abandoned doctrine,1 and the society has gone to great lengths to hide this past from its members.
older (incriminating) watchtower publications are virtually impossible to obtain through the society,2 while at the same time members are overwhelmed with "current" watchtower material.. the watchtower society has even gone as far as to publish disinformation about its own history in an attempt to convince readers that watchtower doctrine has remained consistent over the years, and that the society is not a false prophet.
They are so twisted and wicked...have always said that when I can read a WT or Awake that didn't have a lie I would go to a meeting..it has been almost 9 years and counting.
-sherilyn,
'wicked'?
why have you spent the last 9 years (and counting) reading 'wicked' literature?
...here is a thought...stop reading 'wicked' literature...
big news - i met with the elders last night.
they were not arrogant and they were not mean spirited, but of course we all know they also would not budge from the jw brainwashed beliefs they are sworn to uphold.
i let my light shine, and within two minutes of sitting down with them was no longer nervous.. .
I may or may not even attend the next one of these if there is one...I have done what I set out to do, so I'm not sure what point it would serve
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...there you go...now you are making perfect sense...
well i figured i should give you all an update.
they will be dfing me soon for apostasy.
it is not a huge surprise and i am not afraid nor "shaking in my boots", however i will admit it is stressful right now.
So simple isn't it .... scripture does not say comes AGAIN!
Thanks Elephant for that eye opener!
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no clarity, it does not...
big news - i met with the elders last night.
they were not arrogant and they were not mean spirited, but of course we all know they also would not budge from the jw brainwashed beliefs they are sworn to uphold.
i let my light shine, and within two minutes of sitting down with them was no longer nervous.. .
ray-
this is perhaps one of the greatest conundrums...why someone doesnt want to have anything to do with this org, yet actively seeks it for any orientation ...
you indicated yourself that to you its just a piece of paper...plz explain why, then, this piece of paper is so important to obtain?
...if i were you i'd construe it as an opportunity to finally walk away in peace...it's an org who's principles and ideas are not compatible with yours...so stop doing what it asks you to...
well i figured i should give you all an update.
they will be dfing me soon for apostasy.
it is not a huge surprise and i am not afraid nor "shaking in my boots", however i will admit it is stressful right now.
interesting stuff in the november wt.
note this dishonest quote:.
during his ministry, jesus.
retro-
The Bible describes true faith as “the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Hebrews 11:1) Clearly, far from being naive, a person with real faith has based his beliefs on a careful scrutiny of all available data. Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities.
So please tell, are you an apostate, or do you base your faith on evidence and reason? And if the evidence shows that the Bible does not call Jesus an angel, why would the jws do so?
-for the first question i would refer to the scripture itself - "the assured expectation of things hoped for..."
...what you and i hope for can differ vastly retro, what we find in the scriptures allows for a million different faiths due to those hopes specifically...again your conviction is based on certain established parameters (what you call careful scrutiny)...and it is why we can have this debate on wether Jesus is/was an angel or not.
for the second question... i would never say "i am an apostate" , rather i base my faith on evidence and reason...in regards to this particular subject (is Jesus an angel?) u can clearly see my evidence and reason is not compatible with yours or christ alone's...
