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  A big shift in the world is about to happen......

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
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  i don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.

  infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.

  it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.

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  solomon-

  on the first point, ha!, yes, you got me...that was funny...

  ...on the second point...you are still confusing hard stone-cold science books with books on religion and philosophy...
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
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  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  outlaw...but it's STILL the watchtower, no?...
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  A big shift in the world is about to happen......

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.

  infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.

  it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.

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  king solomn-

  If you dug deeper into the REAL story of the Bible and studied it in context of being a historical document (as people like Leolaia have done) and not as a divine revelation, you'd know it was written by many mortal men with an agenda over a period of 1000's of years.

  While it's clever, it's not THAT clever: there's many glaring discrepancies which cannot be overlooked (UNLESS you WANT to believe).

  NOW, do you have to learn ancient Hebrew, Greek, Latin, etc, and be a brilliant historican like Leolaia in order to see the gaffes, translation errors, etc? No, but it helps. :)

  solomon...err, i think you miss the point...the Bible is NOT SUPPOSED to be seen as a simple historical document, anymore than my grocery store list is supposed to be seen as a guide to world peace...
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  Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

  i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

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  Elephant

  The Watchtower has sins that have stacked up so high, it's not really fathomable to me how much they have done to people. It's simply breathtaking.

  -Sab

  ...for a second after reading this, i thought i was reading an excerpt of a watchtower publication...
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  Elephant

  dt-

  Imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization

  What is needed is for the group that disagrees with the Governing Body's self designation as the Faithful And Discreet Slave to have a face and some level of organization. These would probably be disfellowshipped, if they aren't already, but they could also formally disfellowship the Governing Body. I don't believe there would be any legal basis for deciding which disfellowshipping would be legitimate.

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  you mean replace one organization...with another organization?...this is rather small-minded, isn't it dt?...
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  Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

  (i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

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  Elephant, none of these changes concern you at all? None of this bears on an objective truth?

  -knowsnothing-

  these are the real questions, are they not?...how can jw's remain loyal despite all these 'staggering' changes?

  I'm assuming you are asking sincerely and not just looking for an opportunity to ridicule...so i will answer..

  ...contrary ( and i do mean CONTRARY) to the opinions and interpretations of folks around here, we don't worship the GB. Our religion is not GB Witnesses, it's Jehovah's Witnesses...so we therefore worship...(get this)...Jehovah God...

  ...in fact, the GB is hardly ever thought of...it is but an element amongst many in our form of worship...I would wager that the majority of JW's don't even know the full names of each member of the GB...

  ...our prayers, thoughts, ideas, concerns, worries, joys..etc., etc... are not directed at the GB...they are directed to Jehovah God...

  ...now...if our faith in Jehovah were to be somehow perturbed...then you might have a legitimate problem...hope this helps...
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  Message for Endofmysteries- from Elephant

  by Elephant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  endofmysteries,.

  wanted to pass this thought on to you, regarding your thread of what is about to happen and changes in this world.... ...you present some interesting ideas, and i must say that you are in fact on to something...the key to your comprehension will be to 'build' on previous and successfully discerned concepts before moving on to the next one.... in another thread you brought up masonic ties to the watchtower and we began an interesting conversation there.... ...how about we continue it here?

  ...again, have you contemplated the ouroborus symbol?.

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  Endofmysteries,

  wanted to pass this thought on to you, regarding your thread of what is about to happen and changes in this world...

  ...you present some interesting ideas, and i must say that you are in fact on to something...the key to your comprehension will be to 'build' on previous and successfully discerned concepts before moving on to the next one...

  in another thread you brought up masonic ties to the watchtower and we began an interesting conversation there...

  ...how about we continue it here? ...again, have you contemplated the ouroborus symbol?
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  The trinity doctrine it's not what the WT says.

  -john_mann

  john, what is the correct trinity teaching? it's an interesting subject to me, just curious to see your viewpoint.
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  Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

  (i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

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  Elephant

  May I ask you a touchy question: Do you, personally believe that the end will come within your lifetime?

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  sure, i'll answer, but I warn you, my answer won't suit you...

  ...my answer is, it makes no difference.

  ...you see? ...bibiyan, the end is not up to me...so why concern myself with hurrying it up?...further, I've decided what activities in my present life are worthy of my time and effort...THAT I do have a choice on...

  ...may I ask why?
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  Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

  (i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

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  Elephant

  The name is the same but the beliefs are staggeringly different..

  The WBT$ GB has replaced the Anointed..

  I`m also told there is mention of the WBT$ GB in the songs..

  In the new WBT$ new song books coming out..

  A question for you..

  Will you sing the Praises of your 8 Golden Calves,the WBT$ GB?..

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  Yes outlaw…it’s all so very staggering…

  …furthermore, If I now pray for these ‘golden calves’ (your interpretation), what’s a little tune?