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  Which major country of JW"s will fall first?

  by sleepy in

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  there has been major declines in european countries.. will one of these be the first to have a catastrophic decline.. i predict britian and france falling quickly maybe under 100,000 in a year or two.. when one country fall significantly say britian going under 100,000 will this set off bigger falls here and else where when people start to jump the sinking ship?

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  What exactly is being done in Japan and Denmark?
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  Does Music Influence You?

  by mindfield in

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  aaah, yes... i still remember that stupid awake!

  which encouraged everyone never, never to attend a rock show.

  (they actually throw blood at the crowd, ya know...[8>]) i read it, and personnally i thought it was all hogwash.

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  sleepy

  I'm of the belief that almost anything can effect us.
  Its more of a matter of degree and will depend on the individual personality and circumstances.
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  How can we know if a spirit world exists?

  by sleepy in

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  the only way we as humans can examine the universe is through our brains.. theres nothing we can do about it.

  all senses and experiences are taken in by or bodies and interpreted in our minds.

  we can not know of anything that our minds can't take in.. for example if we were all blind and no humans had eyes and the part of the brain that interprets vision we would have no concept of seeing or even the existence of light.. this creates a problem, how can we know whether things exist outside of our senses.

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  The only way we as humans can examine the universe is through our brains.
  There’s nothing we can do about it. All senses and experiences are taken in by or bodies and interpreted in our minds. We can not know of anything that our minds can't take in.
  For example if we were all blind and no humans had eyes and the part of the brain that interprets vision we would have no concept of seeing or even the existence of light.

  This creates a problem, how can we know whether things exist outside of our senses. We are not talking of ultra sonic sound or x-ray vision as we can detect these using instruments than measure them and convert them into properties that we can personally measure so you for example have a display on a screen .
  But are there properties of nature that are unknown and cant presently be measured.

  So could such things as a spirit world exist and just be outside of our present detection abilities?
  How could we establish its existence? Why should we try?
  Well significant numbers of people have claimed to have been contacted by the spirit world. By God , angels , spirits , ghosts and other phenomenon.
  The number of people involved and it effects on the world (Christianity etc) suggest that we should at least take these claims seriously.( not that we should believe them just at least take them into account)

  Can we then establish whether these people are lying or they are misinterpreting normal events.
  To know whether they are lying we could subject them to a lie detector test.
  I whish this could be arranged but some such as Jesus and Moses are long dead.
  To find if they are misinterpreting events we could try to find if whether a certain part of the brain is stimulated a human will experience visions , this would give evidence that a brain malfunction could give rise to visions in normal people and should not be interpreted as anything unusual.
  This has been done and a certain part at the front of the Brain can when stimulated give rise to “religious euphoria” (Phantoms in the Brain by V.S.Ramachandran)
  The trouble is that even if a part of the brain does this that does not mean a vision had to be a malfunction of the brain. Why?
  Well we all dream at night the fact that we can see things in our head does not mean our vision when awake is not real. Also how would we know that visitors from a spirit world do not use this part of the brain in order to communicate?

  Perhaps then we should just use or knowledge of how the known universe works and see if we need unknown forces to explain events.
  Well this would suggest that a God isn’t needed to make animals and planets as this can be explained by known mechanisms. But it still doesn’t tell us whether any sprit world exists only that we don’t “need” it to explain life on this earth.
  Maybe we will never be able to prove or disprove the existences of spirits and ghosts.
  Perhaps the only people who know are those that have seen them.
  But can we trust them?

  So is there a fail safe way of knowing whether people who claim visits from spirits are telling the truth and have understood what has happened to them correctly?
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  dumbing down made us witnesses

  by sleepy in

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  i've almost forgotten why i thought jw's were the truth.. there i was thinking about it as i drove in my car yesterday trying to remember why.but i couldn't.. prehaps its because there was not one reason but a hole host of things that seamed to fit at the time.. i cannot remember a point when i started to doubt, but i did read a lot of scientific books which helped tune my brain a little bit.. i also noted that the maganzines (w&a) were very small a had very little content i found this very strange as i noted that science writers went to great pains to prove a point where as the societiy seemed happy with a few lines and a quick conclusion.but the society expected people lives to depend on its information.. but i wanted to know why i believed to avoid making the same mistake twice.. so after consideration i've come to the conclusion i was under the influence of misinformation by the society and had asumed these people knew what they were talking about and were unbaised and always checked their facts.. now i know better and will make a goal to always research myself to a higer than "normal " level before i except unusual things as true.. so i belive i was a witness due to misinformation , but this problem effect us all in many ways, how do we know we are being well informed when we read something?.

  well there is a majour problem in the fact that a lot of people find reading boring , we enjoy being entertianed and to learn can be hard.

  i have had to force myself to read things i didn't enjoy in order to understand something important.i am glad after that i have done it ,but i didnt enjoy it.. yes people read little and prefear it when everthing is given to them on a plate.. i belive that lack of education and a lack of a critical mind coupled with the dumbing down of society in general will lead people into religious traps and pseudoscientific errors.. we must encourage education and the desire to learn in our children.. the dumbing down i see in society worries me.

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  Outlaw

  Is that true RE. Playboy artcle, or just a joke?

  Did you manage to keep up to date with your playboy reading and putting what you read into practise?
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  Which major country of JW"s will fall first?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has been major declines in european countries.. will one of these be the first to have a catastrophic decline.. i predict britian and france falling quickly maybe under 100,000 in a year or two.. when one country fall significantly say britian going under 100,000 will this set off bigger falls here and else where when people start to jump the sinking ship?

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  sleepy

  There has been major declines in european countries.
  Will one of these be the first to have a catastrophic decline.
  I predict Britian and France falling quickly maybe under 100,000 in a year or two.
  When one country fall significantly say Britian going under 100,000 will this set off bigger falls here and else where when people start to jump the sinking ship?
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  God created monkeys in his image.

  by ballistic in

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  did you know that our dna is 96% identical to that of our nearest primates?.

  does this mean god created monkeys 96% in his image?.

  but seriously, this has a lot to say about evolution.... why would god create us based on the genes of monkeys, especially if, as the witnesses declare, we were designed to live forever and monkeys were not?.

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  Just saying that its what the DNA does rather than what it is simliar too that is important.
  All done in the spirit of a good debate.
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  God created monkeys in his image.

  by ballistic in

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  did you know that our dna is 96% identical to that of our nearest primates?.

  does this mean god created monkeys 96% in his image?.

  but seriously, this has a lot to say about evolution.... why would god create us based on the genes of monkeys, especially if, as the witnesses declare, we were designed to live forever and monkeys were not?.

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  sleepy

  Good point but..
  Theres more than a 2% difference between a human brain and a chimp one.
  DNA is more complicated than that.
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  dumbing down made us witnesses

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
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  i've almost forgotten why i thought jw's were the truth.. there i was thinking about it as i drove in my car yesterday trying to remember why.but i couldn't.. prehaps its because there was not one reason but a hole host of things that seamed to fit at the time.. i cannot remember a point when i started to doubt, but i did read a lot of scientific books which helped tune my brain a little bit.. i also noted that the maganzines (w&a) were very small a had very little content i found this very strange as i noted that science writers went to great pains to prove a point where as the societiy seemed happy with a few lines and a quick conclusion.but the society expected people lives to depend on its information.. but i wanted to know why i believed to avoid making the same mistake twice.. so after consideration i've come to the conclusion i was under the influence of misinformation by the society and had asumed these people knew what they were talking about and were unbaised and always checked their facts.. now i know better and will make a goal to always research myself to a higer than "normal " level before i except unusual things as true.. so i belive i was a witness due to misinformation , but this problem effect us all in many ways, how do we know we are being well informed when we read something?.

  well there is a majour problem in the fact that a lot of people find reading boring , we enjoy being entertianed and to learn can be hard.

  i have had to force myself to read things i didn't enjoy in order to understand something important.i am glad after that i have done it ,but i didnt enjoy it.. yes people read little and prefear it when everthing is given to them on a plate.. i belive that lack of education and a lack of a critical mind coupled with the dumbing down of society in general will lead people into religious traps and pseudoscientific errors.. we must encourage education and the desire to learn in our children.. the dumbing down i see in society worries me.

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  sleepy

  I've almost forgotten why I thought JW's were the truth.

  There i was thinking about it as I drove in my car yesterday trying to remember why.But I couldn't.
  Prehaps its because there was not one reason but a hole host of things that seamed to fit at the time.
  I cannot remember a point when I started to doubt, but I did read a lot of scientific books which helped tune my brain a little bit.
  I also noted that the maganzines (W&A) were very small a had very little content I found this very strange as I noted that science writers went to great pains to prove a point where as the societiy seemed happy with a few lines and a quick conclusion.But the society expected people lives to depend on its information.

  But I wanted to know why I believed to avoid making the same mistake twice.
  So after consideration I've come to the conclusion I was under the influence of misinformation by the society and had asumed these people knew what they were talking about and were unbaised and always checked their facts.

  Now I know better and will make a goal to always research myself to a higer than "normal " level before I except unusual things as true.

  So I belive I was a witness due to misinformation , but this problem effect us all in many ways, how do we know we are being well informed when we read something?

  Well there is a majour problem in the fact that a lot of people find reading boring , we enjoy being entertianed and to learn can be hard. I have had to force myself to read things i didn't enjoy in order to understand something important.I am glad after that i have done it ,but i didnt enjoy it.
  Yes people read little and prefear it when everthing is given to them on a plate.

  I belive that lack of education and a lack of a critical mind coupled with the dumbing down of society in general will lead people into religious traps and pseudoscientific errors.

  We must encourage education and the desire to learn in our children.
  The dumbing down I see in society worries me. There are hundreds of channels on TV and very little educational content(although there are some good channels)also the media is obsesessed with personnalities and fame .This leads children to follow ther pears on TV and few desire to learn they would rather be famous and be on TV than to discover how the world works.

  ( there is a lot more to say on this subject but I have not the time, another problem in its self)
  I encourage everyone to fight against the dumbing down of society in general and or children will be in a better position to avoid religious lies.

  Any thoughts on this matter?
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  RU British? No! I'm English!

  by Englishman in

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  gambler brought up an interesting point earlier re an english couple getting snotty because someone asked them if they were from australia.. it's a fact that guessing at someones accent is a risky business, especially if you get it wrong.

  i had a canadian friend who was always being mistaken for an american, and boy did he ever get pissy about it.. same with new zealanders, i don't mix 'em up with aussie's because i have kiwi pals and am tuned into to the softer intonations.

  my wife has a swiss friend who hates being mistaken for being from germany or austria and makes no bones about letting you know it.. i used to laugh at what i considered to be over-sensitivity, until someone suggested that i came from yorkshire.

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  No I'm Welsh.
  From Wales.
  Thats a small town outside London.
  Or is it?
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  Calling Russell maurice ,Phillip larn

  by sleepy in

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  i'm looking for some friends of mine who left the "truth" several years ago.. they are in their late twenties .. and are originaly from west wales.

  anyone know them ?

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  I'm looking for some friends of mine who left the "truth" several years ago.
  They are in their late twenties .
  And are originaly from west Wales
  Anyone know them ?