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Do you still get Nightmares?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

do you still get nightmares?.

because last night i had the crap scared out of me.. i cant remember what i had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and i opened my eyes and i saw a figure standing beside my bed.. my body when straight into fight mode.. now this is the weirest part for me.i shouted at the top of my voice , very loudly "what the f**k" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .my eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a i think at that point i became wide awake.. my wife was woken up by my shouting.. my heart was racing and my hair standing on end.. i have had a similiar experience once before but i didn't shout.. the fact that i woke up shouting, really freaked me out.. what the crap was going on in my head?

sleepy

Since I left the witnesses I have lots of dreams about them.
Its hard to remember what happens but usually I am in a meeting or something and reaslise I dont belong.
I get a bad feeling about everyone , thinking they all hate me, and in one dream I got up on the platform and started telling everone they were all wrong.

I sometimes wonder if I suffer from post traumatic stress or something similiar.

The dream I had that started this post happened to me one time before , while I was still a witness and on holiday in Rome.
I felt something shake me and it woke me up .I tried to knock it away.
I looked ahead and saw a green shape like a human which quickly disapeared.
At the time i thought it was demon.
I don't believe that anymore.

Also sometimes I have super vivid dreams , were evreything is in intense , more brilliant than real life colours.I can look and move around and see things in detail sometimes even touch things and talk.

I think we still have a lot to learn about what is happening when we dream.

16

Meet up in the UK this summer ?

by Simon in

jw
friends

summer is nearly upon us and it would be great to arrange a 'get together' (wt speak) sometime so that some of us could meet up.

i thought i'd give plenty warning so that we can arrange something and get suggestions for venue etc .... i was thinking of a nice hotel (with a pool if pos) and nearby to somewhere suitable for a family day out.. people could just go for the day or stop for a weekend as they preferred and we could do things as families during the day and then have a meal in the evening, have a few beers etc .... we're near manchester but don't mind travelling for a couple of hours or so (we have 2 small kids) - in fact, it would be nice to go somewhere like wales, the lake district, the peak district ... you get the idea (just away from the cobbled streets and slums).. if anyone has any ideas or suggestions then let us have them!.

oh, and forget you're british!!!

sleepy

Sounds like a good idea.Hope I can make it this time.
Prehaps we can work out were most of us live and chose a place that easy for most to reach.
How about a barbecue on a beach somwhere?
Anyone good at cooking?

6

What I wish I knew.

by sleepy in

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friends

well there are lots of things i wish i knew.. but one thing i would like to know, but probably never will is ,were c.t.russell, rutherford , knorr , franzetc con men , genuinely mistaken or gone in the head?.

maybe some of the leaders have been con men and some not.

sleepy

Doen't Ray Franz mention in one of his books something about Bro. Swingle having doubts?
Is he still alive?

Amazing.From what I've read about themI would say my thoughts are quite similiar on these men.I not quite sure that Russel was genuine though, didn't he come from a buiness minded family, I wonder if he knew there was good money to be made in religion?
But without ever being there , or meeting any of them ,I suposse its hard to discern the true motives.

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What I wish I knew.

by sleepy in

jw
friends

well there are lots of things i wish i knew.. but one thing i would like to know, but probably never will is ,were c.t.russell, rutherford , knorr , franzetc con men , genuinely mistaken or gone in the head?.

maybe some of the leaders have been con men and some not.

sleepy

Well there are lots of things I wish I knew.

But one thing I would like to know, but probably never will is ,were C.T.Russell, Rutherford , Knorr , Franzetc Con men , genuinely mistaken or gone in the head?
Maybe some of the leaders have been con men and some not.

17

Wouldn't It Be Great If We Could Only.......

by Englishman in

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friends

do you remember feeling like that when you were a jw?.

if only we were allowed to ........... (fill in the blanks stating what it was you really wanted to do, but couldn't because of your religion.

) i'll wait for someone else to start because my "if only" is a bit obvious.. englishman...

sleepy

Wouldn't It Be Great If We Could Only.......be apostates.

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Do you still get Nightmares?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

do you still get nightmares?.

because last night i had the crap scared out of me.. i cant remember what i had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and i opened my eyes and i saw a figure standing beside my bed.. my body when straight into fight mode.. now this is the weirest part for me.i shouted at the top of my voice , very loudly "what the f**k" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .my eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a i think at that point i became wide awake.. my wife was woken up by my shouting.. my heart was racing and my hair standing on end.. i have had a similiar experience once before but i didn't shout.. the fact that i woke up shouting, really freaked me out.. what the crap was going on in my head?

sleepy

Do you still get Nightmares?
Because last night I had the crap scared out of me.
I cant remember what I had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and I opened my eyes and I saw a figure standing beside my bed.
My body when straight into fight mode.
Now this is the weirest part for me.I shouted at the top of my voice , VERY loudly "what the f**K" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .My eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a I think at that point I became wide awake.
My wife was woken up by my shouting.
My heart was racing and my hair standing on end.

I have had a similiar experience once before but I didn't shout.
The fact that I woke up shouting, really freaked me out.

What the crap was going on in my head?

7

What should be in the bible?

by sleepy in

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friends

ok. i've been thinking again (?

) and wondering if i was god what would i have made shure was in the bible.. for a start i would have tried to help my human creatures fight against diseases.. it would'nt have took many pages to explian that there were such things as germs and that you needed to wash things well , and boil contaminated water etc.. this would have prevented millions of early deaths and a lot of suffering.

sleepy

And he forgot pictures.

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What should be in the bible?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

ok. i've been thinking again (?

) and wondering if i was god what would i have made shure was in the bible.. for a start i would have tried to help my human creatures fight against diseases.. it would'nt have took many pages to explian that there were such things as germs and that you needed to wash things well , and boil contaminated water etc.. this would have prevented millions of early deaths and a lot of suffering.

sleepy

Ok. I've been thinking again (?) and wondering if I was God what would I have made shure was in the bible.
For a start I would have tried to help my human creatures fight against diseases.
It would'nt have took many pages to explian that there were such things as germs and that you needed to wash things well , and boil contaminated water etc.
This would have prevented millions of early deaths and a lot of suffering.

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Is God all in the head?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

through out time and nearly all human cultures and civilizations people have believed in god or gods?.

did this develop purly as a means for us to explian the world , or is there a part of the brain that causes peolpe to be religious?.

there is evidence that in fact certain parts of the brain are highly involved in religious beliefs and feelings.. its possible to actualy stimulate certain parts of the brain with a device that generates a strong magnetic field.. aim it at the front of the thalamus and you might experience a orgasm.

sleepy

Hi Puffs rule

My brother also has epilepsy.

"The issues of having an ephiphany afterward to make someone more religious is a crock of bull. Perhaps people who already have a belief in God will have a stronger faith, however, I do not think having a seizure disorder makes one happy. It sucks. Your life is turned upside down by the meds, the lack of understanding and the discrimination"

I think the point was slightly missed.Its not that people with epilepsy will have more or greater experiences of god but that if a certain part of the temporal lobe in any person is stimulated (which can happen also in certain people with cetain types of epilepsy), they have under scientific test been known to experience "God" and religious euphoria.(As well as hightened sensory perception)

So this points to a part of the brain being directly involved with forms of religious beliefs and feelings.
What is amazing is that it was/is believed that religious belief is constructed by man , not related to a specific brain function.

On the lines of Hyghlandyr, I think it is possible that some people have a higher level of religious fervour than others.
Which , if you havent got it you carnt relate too.
This could be due to increased activity in the temporal lobes.
Some of us have less or none at all.

But what causes this activity?

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Is God all in the head?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

through out time and nearly all human cultures and civilizations people have believed in god or gods?.

did this develop purly as a means for us to explian the world , or is there a part of the brain that causes peolpe to be religious?.

there is evidence that in fact certain parts of the brain are highly involved in religious beliefs and feelings.. its possible to actualy stimulate certain parts of the brain with a device that generates a strong magnetic field.. aim it at the front of the thalamus and you might experience a orgasm.

sleepy

Through out time and nearly all human cultures and civilizations people have believed in God or Gods?
Why is this?
Did this develop purly as a means for us to explian the world , or is there a part of the brain that causes peolpe to be religious?

There is evidence that in fact certain parts of the brain are highly involved in religious beliefs and feelings.

Its possible to actualy stimulate certain parts of the brain with a device that generates a strong magnetic field.

Aim it at the front of the Thalamus and you might experience a orgasm.(Yes I want one too)A blind person ( who is blind due to defects in the eye) could aim it at his visual cortex and experience colour.
How about the temporal Lobes?

"When Canadian pshychologist Dr Micheal Persinger got hold of a similar device a few years ago, he chose instead to stimulate parts of his temporal lobes.And to amazement experienced God for the first time"(Phatoms in the Brain V.S.Ramachandran CH9, God and the Limbic system)

In fact it seems that many people experiencing epilectic seizures originating in that part of the brain (temporal lobes) can have intense, spiritual experiences and become preocupied with religious and moral issues.

Do people with stronger religious feelings just have more activity in the temporal lobes than others?
Did God put it there for that purpose?
Or is it a freak of evolution, a stimulator maybe first used for another purpose?

I wonder if any one on the GB is epilectic?