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  WT defines propaganda!

  by thinker in

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  the following is from a watchtower.org webpage on propaganda.

  my comments are in red.. http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/article_03.htm.

  "a fool will believe anything.

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  sleepy

  Excellent thinking , thinker.

  I'll be printing this out to go with my collection of thoughts and ideas relating to the Aug 1 2001 Watchtower.
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  Why God cannot have existed forever.

  by sleepy in

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  why god cannot have existed forever.. this is something a friend of mine brought up a number of years ago.at the time i just thought that to understand how a god existed forever was just beyond our little brains.. well now after reading a lot more physics books i think its evidence a god couldn't have existed forever and therefore would had a begining (if there was a god).. basically if god had lived from infinity in the past we wouldn't have been created yet as there would always be forever untill we were created.. do you get that?.

  at any point in time we could take, if time went back forever then you could never get to that point in time.

  you would always have infinity infront of you.. sorry if this doesn't make much sense as it is not easy to describe.

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  Why God cannot have existed forever.
  This is something a friend of mine brought up a number of years ago.At the time i just thought that to understand how a god existed forever was just beyond our little brains.
  Well now after reading a lot more physics books I think its evidence a God couldn't have existed forever and therefore would had a begining (If there was a GOD).
  Basically if God had lived from infinity in the past we wouldn't have been created yet as there would always be forever untill we were created.
  Do you get that?
  At any point in time we could take, if time went back forever then you could never get to that point in time. You would always have infinity infront of you.

  Sorry if this doesn't make much sense as it is not easy to describe.
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  How do you feel about paying TAX?

  by sleepy in

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  i just had a shock today when i realised that i had just paid too much tax for last year.

  i had forgotten to add almost 1000 pounds expenses to my tax return.. oh yes i'm going to get some money back.but should i be so hasty, this money will go toward policing , education and many other important needs of society.. maybe it would just go to some corrupt official or politician who will spend it on a slap up meal.. so how do you feel about paying your taxes.

  are they too high or not high enought.. are there any better ways for keeping countries running smoothly.. also what taxes do you pay in other countries?.

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  I just had a shock today when I realised that I had just paid too much tax for last year. I had forgotten to add almost 1000 pounds expenses to my Tax return.
  Oh yes I'm going to get some money back.But should I be so hasty, this money will go toward policing , education and many other important needs of society.
  Maybe it would just go to some corrupt official or politician who will spend it on a slap up meal.

  So how do you feel about paying your taxes. Are they too high or not high enought.
  Are there any better ways for keeping countries running smoothly.
  Also what taxes do you pay in other countries?
  In Britain we have,
  Income tax,
  VAT ,
  Council tax,
  National insurance.
  Car Tax.
  All adding up to a hefty bill. Are we getting value for money?
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  Average age of apostates survey.

  by sleepy in

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  i thought it might be a good idea to find out at what age or after how long we descided to leave the watchtower.. prehaps we my find a patern in it which we could use .. i think what we need to know are ,.

  1.age you left the watchtower.

  (or age you found out it was wrong).

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  I think I see a trend here.People are mostly leaving in their twenties or thirties.

  I'm going to try and work out some averages.

  Of cource this could just show the age of people who leave and are on the internet which you would expect to be of 20,30 year age group.
  Or it could show that if you don't find out or leave when you are young it gets much harder as you get older.
  Can anyone help with analysing this info?
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  Average age of apostates survey.

  by sleepy in

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  i thought it might be a good idea to find out at what age or after how long we descided to leave the watchtower.. prehaps we my find a patern in it which we could use .. i think what we need to know are ,.

  1.age you left the watchtower.

  (or age you found out it was wrong).

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  sleepy

  I thought it might be a good idea to find out at what age or after how long we descided to leave the watchtower.
  Prehaps we my find a patern in it which we could use .

  I think what we need to know are ,
  1.Age you left the watchtower.(Or Age you found out it was wrong)
  2.Age that you were baptised.
  3.were you brought up in it or converted?

  My answers
  1.27
  2.17
  3.B'ht up

  So there we have it 10 years it took me , how about you?
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  Are these problems for evolution?

  by sleepy in

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  maybe not.. anyway here are some problems i see with the current theory of evolution as a complete explanation of how life got to the state it is in on earth.. of course i no expert (as some will no doubt point out )and am not fully up to date with every idea so please let me know were i have gone wrong.. also i am not saying that evolution is or isnt true or fully responsible for life, just that there are end s that haven't been tied up yet the results of which could lead us in another direction.

  i defiantly not saying that this proves there must be a god or anything like that.

  just trying to understand what is known and what is not.. (please dont laugh if i have said something stupid it just my naivety on the subject).

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  JanH

  Thanks for your well informed reply.
  One point though.I said
  "Yet we can not know that all the environments required to account for all changes in all organisms ever to live ever existed"
  Surely we cannot have evolution without the selection.
  We know that some tpyes of enviroment could drive certain evolutionary changes.
  Yet we can not or do not know what types of enviromental situations are needed in order to cause the vast complexity we see in creatures today , yet alone know whether they actually happened.This is not just a side issue but a major point.The brain for example is extremely complex yet all of it parts need to be accounted for by an eviromental selctive prossess.If that selective process cannot be shown to be anything more than a conceptional idea can we say it really happened this way?

  "To argue that this makes evolution doubtful is equivalent to arguing that the Roman empire never existed since there are many things we do not know and will never know about the Roman empire. "
  I wouldn't sat that is quite right.
  I'm not saying that there is no such thing as natural selection just that we do not know the extant it can work at.
  This is like saying I know the Romans existed but due to incomplete records we can not know whether they did this or did that.

  All in the interset of a good debate.
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  Are these problems for evolution?

  by sleepy in

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  maybe not.. anyway here are some problems i see with the current theory of evolution as a complete explanation of how life got to the state it is in on earth.. of course i no expert (as some will no doubt point out )and am not fully up to date with every idea so please let me know were i have gone wrong.. also i am not saying that evolution is or isnt true or fully responsible for life, just that there are end s that haven't been tied up yet the results of which could lead us in another direction.

  i defiantly not saying that this proves there must be a god or anything like that.

  just trying to understand what is known and what is not.. (please dont laugh if i have said something stupid it just my naivety on the subject).

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  sleepy

  Maybe not.
  Anyway here are some problems I see with the current theory of evolution as a complete explanation of how life got to the state it is in on Earth.
  Of course I no expert (as some will no doubt point out )and am not fully up to date with every idea so please let me know were I have gone wrong.
  Also I am not saying that evolution is or isn’t true or fully responsible for life, just that there are end s that haven't been tied up yet the results of which could lead us in another direction. I defiantly not saying that this proves there must be a God or anything like that. Just trying to understand what is known and what is not.
  (Please don’t laugh if I have said something stupid it just my naivety on the subject)

  Problem 1. Mutation of the genetic code is the sole source of change between one generation and the next. That parents can have offspring that are slightly different to them is well attested. Even gross deformation can occur. But in order for beneficial mutations to cause change in species it has to be passed on so many common types of mutations cannot be responsible for evolutionary change .Only mutations within the sperm or egg and these have to passed on and remain fixed for a time in future generations. This lessens the type and amount of mutation that can account for evolutionary change. Also the mutation needs a source. we have to know what the source of the mutation is I.e. radiation from Sun to know whether it has been the same in the past.

  Problem 2 .Natural selection is the only driving force behind evolutionary progression. That means that all changes that have been held on to by humans or other animals are entirely the result of natural circumstances causing the complete death of all other similar types of creatures that have differences in its DNA . So that even complex organs such as the brain are the result of lesser humans becoming extinct and the surviving creature differences granting it life. This has to explain the smallest to the largest changes from single cells to complex organisms. Yet we can not know that all the environments required to account for all changes in all organisms ever to live ever existed. They are needed to explain the driving mechanism but are immeasurable by us today.

  Problem 3. Lack of a complete fossil records showing the gradual change in animals over history .The fossil record is either mostly incomplete or not. If evolution in its current form is solely responsible then the fossil record is incomplete due to the rarity of circumstances needed to fossilize animals. If evolution is not completely responsible in its current form the part of evidence for this may be the lack of fossils able to show this in the geological record.
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  What is your idea of paradise?

  by sleepy in

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  what is your idea of paradise?.

  imagine we could have an ideal world to live in , what would you like to see changed to make the world better for you and other people.. also what personnaly would make you happy just in your little part of the world.. does any of you answers fit in with the witness view of paradise?

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  island womany,

  Your ideas sound good.
  I think the western nations take too much avantage of this planet.
  My personal paradise though is to do enjoyable work and afterward being able to relax and enjoy time with friends or some other entertainment.
  Trouble is this involves using up lots of the earths resources, oh dear.
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  What is your idea of paradise?

  by sleepy in

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  what is your idea of paradise?.

  imagine we could have an ideal world to live in , what would you like to see changed to make the world better for you and other people.. also what personnaly would make you happy just in your little part of the world.. does any of you answers fit in with the witness view of paradise?

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  What is your idea of paradise?
  Imagine we could have an ideal world to live in , what would you like to see changed to make the world better for you and other people.
  Also what personnaly would make you happy just in your little part of the world.
  Does any of you answers fit in with the witness view of paradise?
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  Is Jehovahs witnesses a bad name?

  by sleepy in

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  is jehovahs witnesses a bad name?.

  i've always thought jehovahs witnesses to be a strange name for a religion.of course names are nouns , like mormom , catholic etc but isn't jehovahs witnesses more a verb?.

  of course its used as a noun but it describes an particular action.for instance if i was a witness in court for say jack you could say i was jacks witness.but that doesnt describe me as a person it desribes what i was doing at a particular time, giving evidence about jack.. so isnt the name jehovahs witnesses describing only one particular act that a christian can do?shouldn't a name describe a group as a hole rather than one thing that they do.. or is being witnesses about jehovahs goodness all that they should do?.

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  Is Jehovahs witnesses a bad name?
  I've always thought Jehovahs witnesses to be a strange name for a religion.Of course names are Nouns , Like Mormom , Catholic etc but isn't Jehovahs witnesses more a Verb?
  Of course its used as a noun but it describes an particular action.For instance if I was a witness in court for say Jack you could say I was Jacks witness.But that doesnt describe me as a person it desribes what I was doing at a particular time, giving evidence about Jack.
  So isnt the name Jehovahs witnesses describing only one particular act that a Christian can do?Shouldn't a name describe a group as a hole rather than one thing that they do.
  Or is being witnesses about Jehovahs goodness all that they should do?
  Where in the New testement does it tell us that we must present evidence for Jehovah greatness?
  Certainly it is mentioned for example in the Lords prayer "let you name be sactified" but it doesn't instuct us to be the instuments to do so. The scripture in Isaiah 43 says"You are my witnesses...that I am the same one"
  The same one as what?
  The same as recued the isrealites from Eygpt.
  Isn't that what the verse is saying?
  The New testement emphasises preaching about Christ and the ransom sacrifise I can see no mention of being used by Jehovah in some sort of court case were they will stand as witnesses.Being called a Christian describes what that person is more than just an act that they do such as being a witness.To be a christian is a follower of Jesus in all ways possible.
  Of course being a witness or giving testomony about God is some thing a Christian could do.But to name a religious organisation in such away does not seem to have backing from the scriptures.