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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  The 12 apostles only enter the picture in the second-century, there's two token references to them outside the gospels and somebody added rhe one in 1 Corinthians 15 after the fact and probably the one in Revelations too, the Elders Papias wrote about tampered with it.

  The introduction of apostles comes right around the time the Gnostics started claiming secret revelations from Jesus. The proto-orthodox church said its not about present eevelation but about Jesus' earthly revelation to the 12 who our fore-elders followed. Which is pretty much bunk. So the Gnostics came back with Well we follow the disciples of apostles too, Peter's secretary Glaucius, Paul's disciple Theudaa.

  Claims to apostolic authority are sandcastles on the beach, shoulda been washed down ages ago.
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  It's pretty clear these people were already predisposed to this kind of thing, Jehovah's Witnesses dont go nuts like this even though they share the kidnappers' beliefs... but at the same time you can't ignore how their culture helped them along in this insanity. Seeing the police as monsters, having to flee Armageddon right away, chanting Jehovah like a hex... that's Watchtower baby.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

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  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  Nah, no waste of time. I felt strong and proud of myself walking away, particularly after I stood up to him when he got nasty. I'm working on me these days and that's something I've never been good about, standing up to people. So it was worthwhile. Maybe it wouldn't he to others, and power to them

  VIII, what a bizarre reply, it's like they're staring right at an elephant in the room and pretending it's a donkey. Just... such blatant self-deception. Like we 'apostates could make up that story if we wanted to! Some things are stranger than fiction as they say, haha.
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

  1. jw
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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  zeb, hahahahaha, that's great. I can just see them onstage acting that out with cardboard cutout trucks and vans and a paper mache garage door they bust through at the beginning.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
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  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  Doubting bro, he really did, I remembered him saying that because he talked to me like I was some neighborhood thug. He acted like he owned the place, and you're right: he doesn't and neither does his wife. If it happens again I'll say something to the company.

  StephaneLaliberte, that's how I see it to: if they don't want to be challenged, well, they can go back to door-to-door preaching.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  Exactly, they get the straight talk from now on.

  Can do, smiddy3. Thanks for backing me up. You take care too.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
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  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  Zeb, Diogenesister, thanks guys. I felt good standing up for myself even after he got so outright hostile and nasty. I stood my ground and didn't give an inch.

  The thought never crossed my mind that he might have something to hide, and while I can't say for certain, the possibility is definitely there. He got really mad really fast, he didn't even pause to think he just lashed out at me verbally, and from his body language, he wanted to do more.

  I'm headed to that station again Saturday, wonder if I'll run into them again. Wouldn't that be something, haha.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  I get where you're coming from, I do. And there's a part of me that believes that too. But... I want to believe, and I do believe, that it's never too late for anyone.
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  Meal at Bethel

  by Listener in

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  an ex bethelite has made a video about the food that was provided at hq's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxbe9hacqxu.

  towards the end he talks about the new arrangements with the cutbacks.for breakfast if you had served a certain amount of time at bethel or were old enough you could choose whether you wanted to attend breakfast/morning worship or not.

  first year bethels were made to attend to ensure they were watching the morning worship.

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  pale.emperor, I didn't see that but I want to. Do you have a link?
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  VIII, I appreciate that. For god's sake the woman made the rest of us listen to her video, that's how little respect she showed us. Just broadcasting her religious beliefs across the station. And then the man talks to me like I'm some kind of hoodlum out of the 1950s. Most Jehovah's Witnesses really do communicate contempt for others.

  Hahaha, you gotta tell us if they respond or not, that story is downright hysterical. Seriously, people couldn't come up with a story like that if they wanted to.

  Trust me, I know what it's like to go through that. Most of my family are still fundamentalist Christians, whether Baptist or Pentecostal or whatever, but they're... crazy, too. There's no nice way to say it, and yes, it takes a toll on you. I hope they wake up, just like I hope my family wakes up, but I've finally come to terms with the fact that they're not going to, and it sounds like you have, too. Does it give you peace of mind?