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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  I haven't watched the video but I've read through and heard a ton of these apologetic arguments during my time as a fundamentalist Baptist. They're not convincing, there's no tomb attested to before the 4th century when Constantine's crazy mother went to Jerusalem and found everything from Jesus' cross to John the Baptist's sandals (kidding about the last one).

  Did early apostles claim Jesus was resurrected? They did. Why did they claim he was resurrected? Because by reading into Old Testament scriptures through an allegorical lens they reached that conclusion, read the first couple chapters of Hebrews for example. There is very little evidence of a historical Jesus (Josephus was tampered with probably by the church father Eusebius in the 4th century, I can go into more detail) or any historical 12 (a late legend given away by numerous lines of evidencs I can also go into, the twelve play next to no role in the earliest gospel Mark or any other, most are just names on a page, and there's enough of their bones floating around to build a Brontosaurus).

  I've read on this stuff for years, and trust me: I wanted to believe it. It's not believable.
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  Crazy WT stories

  by scruffmcbuff in

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  dennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.

  he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.

  what did he see?a £5 note.

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  john.prestor

  9Yeah that is absurd, he broke into her house and stole a Bible? You can get one got a buck at Dollar Tree.

  Nothing wicked about you. We call that intelligence my friend :P
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  Crazy WT stories

  by scruffmcbuff in

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  dennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.

  he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.

  what did he see?a £5 note.

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  john.prestor

  I heard one at the first assembly I attended that some girl's classmates waited until the teacher stepped out and pulled out a Ouija board and tried to get the girl (Sheila maybe?) to play with it, but she didn't and she was glad because later they appeared 'demonized.'

  Oh and then a CO said a lesbian 'stalked' a Sister in their territory.

  Yep, totally believable.
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  A recent antiwitnessing experience

  by john.prestor in

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  i shared one of these before in which my approach left something to be desired, and i got some flack for that, and rightly so.

  so if this story doesn't go over well i won't share another... but given how it ended, i just had to share.... a few days ago i took a trip to a nearby city by bus.

  in the about 20-30 minute window between my connecting buses i walked over to a mcdonald's and got a cup of coffee, and when i came back to the little bus station i saw a literature cart sitting unmanned near the doors.

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  john.prestor

  Hey, that's how most of the cart witnessing Witnesses I've seen look, they're just enjoying their morning, sipping a cup of coffee, chatting with each other. You gotta earn that privilege remember, haha. he rest of them have to go door-to-door. They make the most of it!

  You'll have another chance, and you're ready for next time
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  I'll bite, what's the argument? I don't accept that there was a resurrection to be clear, just know that going in.
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  My JW-Related Musical Experiences

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  looking back over my life, the only thing that i can say i truly enjoyed as a jw was meeting and becoming friends with a number of jws who were fine musicians and had experienced various measures of success in what used to be called the "music business.

  tommy reynolds, from the vocal group hamilton, joe frank & reynolds ("don't pull your love out on me, baby" and "baby, baby, fallin' in love, i'm fallin' in love again") recruited me to play drums in his dallas circuit assembly orchestra in the 1970s.

  in 1977, i became friends with legendary jazz composer/arranger/band leader benny golson, whose life story appeared in the oct. 8, 1980 awake, and who appeared opposite tom hanks in steven spielberg's "the terminal.

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  john.prestor

  Hey, glad you're getting a lot of different opinions to go on here Roger, including mine and others. Best of luck with your book.
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  john.prestor

  Exactly, and early Christians were big on numerology too, just to follow up on that.
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  My JW-Related Musical Experiences

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
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  looking back over my life, the only thing that i can say i truly enjoyed as a jw was meeting and becoming friends with a number of jws who were fine musicians and had experienced various measures of success in what used to be called the "music business.

  tommy reynolds, from the vocal group hamilton, joe frank & reynolds ("don't pull your love out on me, baby" and "baby, baby, fallin' in love, i'm fallin' in love again") recruited me to play drums in his dallas circuit assembly orchestra in the 1970s.

  in 1977, i became friends with legendary jazz composer/arranger/band leader benny golson, whose life story appeared in the oct. 8, 1980 awake, and who appeared opposite tom hanks in steven spielberg's "the terminal.

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  john.prestor

  Roger, you sound like you lived a cool life, but when you brag for that many paragraphs it gets a little gratuitous and comes off different than you intend.
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  john.prestor

  The 12 apostles only enter the picture in the second-century, there's two token references to them outside the gospels and somebody added rhe one in 1 Corinthians 15 after the fact and probably the one in Revelations too, the Elders Papias wrote about tampered with it.

  The introduction of apostles comes right around the time the Gnostics started claiming secret revelations from Jesus. The proto-orthodox church said its not about present eevelation but about Jesus' earthly revelation to the 12 who our fore-elders followed. Which is pretty much bunk. So the Gnostics came back with Well we follow the disciples of apostles too, Peter's secretary Glaucius, Paul's disciple Theudaa.

  Claims to apostolic authority are sandcastles on the beach, shoulda been washed down ages ago.
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  john.prestor

  It's pretty clear these people were already predisposed to this kind of thing, Jehovah's Witnesses dont go nuts like this even though they share the kidnappers' beliefs... but at the same time you can't ignore how their culture helped them along in this insanity. Seeing the police as monsters, having to flee Armageddon right away, chanting Jehovah like a hex... that's Watchtower baby.