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  The Bread Illustration (Feb 16 Broadcast) - Massive Contradiction

  by fizzle in

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  so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".

  he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?

  jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?

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  zophar

  I agree with nowwhat? Great point about Paul.

  I think it was the old Aid book that said the "unforgivable sin" was, "denying an obvious manifestation of the holy spirit." The example used of the religious leaders bribing the soldiers assigned to guard Jesus tomb for them not to speak of Jesus resurrection even though those leaders knew what the soldiers had seen. Their interest was in preserving their position and denying Jesus. What else could be done to convince them? Therefore they were guilty of unforgivable sin.
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  Congrats to Kim Mikey!

  by awake!watcher in

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  congrats to kim mikey, mike and kim reached 3000 subscribers on their youtube channel!

  go check em out!

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  zophar

  I have never been able to watch one of their videos all the way through. Personally find them disgusting. It's not a Who's your favorite apostate contest, but I really think they do more harm than good in reasonably exposing JW error. I find their approach to be the exact opposite of someone like Ray Franz.
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  JW's Funerals, Forget About The Person! Let's Preach.

  by new boy in

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  god forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral.

  so what do most people get after living 70-80 years?.

  a 5-10 minutes eulogy.

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  zophar

  Performed many funerals and, for many years, have not followed the provided outline. My talk was all about the person and how they lived their life. I think the worse thing you could do would be to try to preach doctrine or recruit. The persons life course speaks loudly enough, no matter how important they were in the organization.

  It is a time for providing comfort not preaching.
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

  by the girl next door in

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  now what is your stance?

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  Girl Next Door

  You are brilliant!
  
  
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  New York Daily News Article

  by zophar in

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  sweet jesus real estate deal.

  monday 12/14/15.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/jehovah-witnesses-1-billion-nyc-properties-article-1.2464957.

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  I'm so happy for you!
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  New York Daily News Article

  by zophar in

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  sweet jesus real estate deal.

  monday 12/14/15.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/jehovah-witnesses-1-billion-nyc-properties-article-1.2464957.

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  Sweet Jesus Real Estate Deal

  Monday 12/14/15

  http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/jehovah-witnesses-1-billion-nyc-properties-article-1.2464957
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  I gave the elders some ammo to use

  by atacrossroads in

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  i was having dinner at olive garden with my cousin who was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

  a holier than thou pioneer couple saw us.

  if that was not enough i saw her take a picture of me with my cousin.

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  zophar

  I used to be scared shitless about the prospect of being df'd but now I don't even care.

  Maybe you are ready to leave, now is the opportunity and you will be on to your new life. As already mentioned there is the trauma that comes with shunning, but if you are ready, you are ready. It looks like you are heading down that path anyway.

  Unfortunately, the way these things usually go, if it's not this event, it will be something else. Once the "investigation" begins it never ends.

  Wish you the best.

  
  
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  How was it for you when you had to shun someone?

  by Anator in

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  i remember a good friend when i was in and active who was d'fd.

  when he started coming back, for me at that time is was gut-wrenching not to say 'hello' or at the very least encourage him to continue.

  i thought even at this time, does this act of shunning really effective?

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  I never felt like I had to shun someone, but I understand completely what you are saying. I guess I used the excuse that I was an elder and I had certain rights so I could encourage a DF person. Of course I was just making excuses so I could act like a human and not shun!

  Then again, there were some people I was delighted to shun whether they were disfellowshipped or not. 😄

  It is very distressing to see, for example, a mother shun her DF daughter at a time when the daughter needs her mother the most. It is inexcusable and not Christ like behavior.
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  Any funny stories of when a"brother" giving a talk, said something "funny" or "questionable", and didn't even realize it?

  by Dunedain in

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  there were always all types of speakers in the org.

  myself, growing up a "witness", must have heard all types of talks, and given by all manner of speakers, especially on sundays, when almost every week we would get a "visiting" brother giving the public talk.. sometimes, you would have a "great" speaker, all fluent and animated.

  other times we would get a comical speaker, one who would maybe purposelly get a few laughs outta the audience.

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  ....and the illustration used in a DC talk about a Squid with giant testacles instead of tentacles!
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  My mom passed away yesterday....

  by minimus in

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  thank you all for your sincere encouragement during these last few weeks.

  finally, she is at peace.

  i was with her , holding her hand when she died.

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  zophar

  Very sorry to hear that. Hope you can reflect on pleasant memories of happy times together.