Posts by zophar

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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.

quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.

especially for the first sister they talk about!.

zophar

Bonnie_Clyde

Your post brought back many memories. My wife and I were part of the 1200 per year club too. At least you have your freedom of thinking now. Better it took 30 years than never!

The memories linger and at times torment though don't they?

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Will #metoo have an affect on forcing changing attitudes at Watchtower?

by jwfacts in

despite decades of the feminist movement, watchtower's attitude of woman being inferior has changed little, with pauline sexism justified as inspired, on the basis that women are lesser emotionally, intellectually and physically.

jehovah's witnesses seem to accept this with little resistance.

is there anything about the #metoo movement that may wake followers up?

zophar

The laws have always been the laws.

Anita Hill didn't fare so well when she reported, and she was appearing before the law makers. One could say it was "he said, she said" but the setting was pretty much one woman before a room full of men. Hum, sort of like a JW molestation judicial hearing. No women need apply!

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Will The Governing Body Be Resigning From Controlling The Corporation When Things Get Worse And Worse?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

will they be making a lot of their gb helpers full fledge gb?

i think as they continue to loose money and members and contributions dry up, that many might be thinking how to get out of this financial mess with some sort of golden parachute, and hand over the reigns to their helpers.. i'm sure with all this bad that is happening to the corporation they would welcome an early retirement with a nice comfy nest egg away from all this bad publicity away from the public eye.

why do they want to keep fighting a losing battle give over their power for a nice comfy retirement.

zophar

.....and how exactly did Hitler die once he knew things were doomed?

Some people just can't let go.

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Would You Go To A Memorial Service For A JW )if you were no longer attending the KH)?

by minimus in

jw
friends

some of my old jw friends are sickly and getting on in age.

so far, i’ve only gone to my mother’s memorial and have avoided the kingdom hall altogether.... your thoughts please?.

zophar

As a PIMO elder, I found doing funerals presented a great opportunity for me to speak "truth." The so called "talk" became a eulogy with anecdotes from the deceased's past. An opportunity to remind the audience that the deceased had believed they might never die and how they lived with that disappointment in their later years. I defined their faith in Jehovah, not an organization and reminded the audience that God never lied and he was faithful, hint, hint

Once, a known apostate attended a funeral I performed. He was very complimentary and expressed his appreciation. Best comment I heard! I did my job!

....oh and yes, I have been called to the back room of Kingdom Halls many times. Seems independent or free thinking is very much frowned on by leaders. The rank and file however seem to appreciate a refreshing change from what they are used to hearing at a JW memorial or funeral. Maybe that is why I've beeen asked to do so many funerals. People long to hear good things about a loved one's life and experience. Chastising into doing more for JW .... not so much!

One of the few things I was proud of while an elder.

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Watchtower and Awake in the cafeteria of my work place

by StephaneLaliberte in

someone at my workplace, i don't know who, is a jw and has been leaving magazines in the cafeteria.

any suggestion as to what i could do?

i thought of writing up a note stating: "to whoever is bringing these magazine: jw have broken up my family, please don't bring religion to work.

zophar

Since you are fading I'm wondering, aren't you taking a risk of exposing yourself with the letter and by going to HR? I think it is admirable, but make sure you have counted the cost to yourself.

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Anyone struggle to find meaning in life?

by Good JW in

just wondering if this is a common thing for you guys and girls?

when i left the jws it was hard to make a connection with people, much of the time i felt that whatever they wanted to talk about just didn't seem relevant/deep/meaningful.

i find myself filtering my mind to get to a level with others (small talk mostly).

zophar

Really enjoying all these thoughtful comments.

Even as a JW the preaching was mainly about who was right and finding the true religion, and not about what was right, how to live a meaningful life.

So much of what is recorded of what Jesus was supposed to have taught was about improving your quality of life. Don't be anxious, be forgiving, do unto others, all are great life principles that can add meaning to life. Instead as a JW, it was, do more you are not doing enough works, teach that you and your religion have all the answers.

JW's who lived 100 years ago thought they were just as close to the end and the future paradise as the JW's today. What is wrong with this picture? Like someone said earlier enjoy the pie now.

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Anyone Watch Dr Phil Show today?

by zophar in

are you watching dr phil with the df wife and still in husband?.

zophar

They are bringing reproach to the Apostate Community!!

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JW story - "husbands JW beliefs ruining the family" - on Dr. Phil today

by ShirleyW in

jw
friends

"my husbands religious beliefs are ruining our family" is the topic.

i"m not home when it airs on cbs in the afternoon so i watch a rerun on ch 55 here in nyc at 8pm.

i have my cable box all set to switch over at the appropriate time..

zophar

The elders would have contacted the WT legal dept if they were following instructions. The legal department would have been the ones directing the elders to call CPS. Does this mean they are finally getting the point?

Not necessarily. Because of the two witness rule they probably would have felt the testimony of the husband and wife, probably revealed while they were bickering back and forth in front of the elders, would have been all they needed to report.

One thing I don't understand about the two witness rule they insist on using. While they could apply that to congregational judicial procedures, it doesn't have to apply to secular governmental procedures. They could make life so much easier for themselves legally if they just always reported to legal authorities what they hear and let the secular legal system play itself out. That way the congregation would be informed every time of an accusation because of the legal proceedings against the accused. Also, if the accused is innocent, that would be determined through a legal process, not a spiritual judicial process.

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Will #metoo have an affect on forcing changing attitudes at Watchtower?

by jwfacts in

despite decades of the feminist movement, watchtower's attitude of woman being inferior has changed little, with pauline sexism justified as inspired, on the basis that women are lesser emotionally, intellectually and physically.

jehovah's witnesses seem to accept this with little resistance.

is there anything about the #metoo movement that may wake followers up?

zophar

Phoebe

Quite a story you have to tell. It is exactly people in your position that tell the most compelling stories. A working woman trying to make a living being exposed to lecherous men. What you a disgusting experience to live through.

I hope at the very least the recent exposing of some real asshats who felt entitled will make some difference.

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Anyone Watch Dr Phil Show today?

by zophar in

are you watching dr phil with the df wife and still in husband?.

zophar

Thanks Morpheus