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  Can someone tell me why Joan's ark and the flood not true and impossible?

  by Gokumonkey in

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  hey everyone.

  i have a question and i hope i'm not confusing this with something else i heard.

  while watching ex jw videos on youtube many of them talk about how noah's ark and the flood didn't happen and it's impossible.

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  Hey everyone. I have a question and I hope I'm not confusing this with something else I heard. While watching ex jw videos on YouTube many of them talk about how Noah's ark and the flood didn't happen and it's impossible. Not sure if I'm mixing this up with something else but I wanted to ask if anyone can give me information on this. An article or video I can read because I find it very interesting.

  There was no global flood a few thousand years ago, Gokumonkey. There have been bad local floods in different parts of the world, but the JW assertion of a worldwide flood where only 8 people and whatever number of animals they stuffed in the ark is false. It didn't happen.
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  What's changed since I left in 2006?

  by Jehovah lol in

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  i think i made a thread like this a couple of years ago but i can't remember what was said and i'd rather have a new discussion anyway.. what's different in the wts since i left it behind in 2006?.

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  I left in 2006 also...from this thread...wow a lot had changed...
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  So my PIMO Younger Brother Tried To Kill Himself Today

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  we all know that this cult will drive those trying to leave to desperate measures, and today by brother was very nearly one of those statistics.

  he slashed his thigh with a kitchen knife and was bleeding out until he called the police.. i got a call on my way home from work from a police officer, coincidentally it was one of my old friends from school who's now a cop.

  he told me my brother is in hospital after an attempted suicide and has lost some blood but will be ok. but i should get to the hospital as he's asking for me.

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  I've known people who turned into alcoholics or suffered severe depression. It's not surprising some might turn suicidal dealing with the process of extricating themselves from this cult.
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  He killed them because they expelled him from the Jehovah's Witnesses - Canal de Noticia (Venezuela), Nov 28, 2017 - Two JWs found murdered

  by darkspilver in

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  2. friends

  this tragic story has been developing over the last couple of days in venezuela.

  there is a mixture of reports and accounts coming in..... two jehovah's witnesses (and fleshly sisters) aged 71 and 65, where found murdered.

  a 26 year male suspect has been arrested.. in the apartment where the two where found dead, the words "death to witnesses" (“muerte a los testigos”) had been scrawled onto one of the walls.. he killed them because they expelled him from the jehovah's witnesses - canal de noticia, nov 28, 2017. .

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  Outahere

  Something like this was bound to happen, sooner or later. Less than balanced individuals take matter into their own hands.

  Venezuela is a violent, crime ridden hell hole.

  Used to be a much nicer place. I've been to that particular town.
  
  
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  Slimboyfat:

  A basic argument for panpsychism, as Strawson presents it, is that we know we are personally conscious.

  Well, I know personally that I have a conscious mind. I experience myself directly.

  However, I am incapable of experiencing another mind or proving that it exists.

  You could be sitting across from me and still could not know or prove that you have a conscious mind.

  I can measure your brain activity, but that isn't the same exact thing.
  
  
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  From the Coyne link provided by Cofty:

  Panpsychism has a long history in philosophy, and is defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy as “the doctrine that mind is a fundamental feature of the world which exists throughout the universe.”

  In isolation, that idea might be defensible on some level. A conscious observer is needed to collapse the wavefunction. Without the observer, Schrodinger''s cat is neither alive nor is it dead.

  
  
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  I can show that frogs, mice and humans experience to varying degrees, but I cannot show that an inanimate rock can. So what can this idea be built on if it's an assertion about physical reality?
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  Watchtower Writings vs Christian Philosophers

  by Boredposter in

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  watchtower writings used to have some meat to them.

  they have been increasingly watered down and simplified.

  i think we all recognize that.

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  WT thinking is shallow and bereft.
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  Congrats Australia votes yes gay marriage! Awesome!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  well done aussie's 60% voted yes.

  i really did not think this would happen here there is alot of gay phobia.

  i saw men on the streets holding signs "vote no.

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  Gay marriage only becomes possible in a culture once traditional marriage is thoroughly devalued.
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  January 2018 Message of Judgment - What Is This?

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've now seen a couple of references to this and did a little digging before leaving for work.

  i saw someone on reddit in july saying that someone on the inside said a change was coming in 2018 with the jw message, and i've now seen two references to this in the past week.

  help a former brother out.

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  Outahere

  If there was anything to their judgement message, everybody would have been dead a long time ago.