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  Got ALetter!

  by Biahi in

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  2. beliefs

  so, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.

  i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.

  she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.

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  It would be interesting to send her some info. But, once she realizes that she is dealing with an "opposer" she will probably drop any future communication. Might be a good policy for anyone receiving unwanted correspondence from them.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  The previous posts are describing a relationship built on emotional/psychological abuse. When Evans is around his wife, he has her under his thumb. When he isn't around, she will find ways to hit back at him. If I've got the details right, it goes something like this:

  He says he wants an open relationship, and she says okay, despite what must be considerable misgivings. Given some time to think for herself (and without him there to influence her), she changes her mind and, for a change, tells him so directly. He is furious but cannot get her to bend, so he takes a drastic step and leaves for Thailand.

  (This is common in abusive relationships- the abused will occasionally stiffen and put up a fight, at which point the abuser will either soften and make promises to 'be better' or ramps up the pressure.)

  Free of his influence again, she starts leaking all kinds of messages and photos, and threatens divorce. He comes scrambling back to "fix" things. She starts taking his side and disavowing anyone who criticizes him, and helps him with videos and agrees to be photographed on vacation with him, etc.

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  If I'm understanding their situation at present, they are apart. So his only means of control at this point is financial, which is one reason why he must be panicking at the sight of his monetary support drying up. What is the worst part about giving up his 'activism' and going back to the 9-to-5 grind? That his wife will no longer have any incentive to hold back. And that she might have other photos and messages. If he thinks he'll have trouble getting any job better than dishwasher, it probably won't get any easier when everyone knows just how bad of a person he really is...
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  it’s all in person and only fully vaxed can go

  by Indoubtbigtime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2023 will see a big push to get rank and file back to in person meetings and ministry.

  they have opened a can of worms with zoom but what they really want is only in extreme illnesses cases can someone use zoom .

  the only problem is they want everyone fully vaccinated which means if you didn’t go for your latest booster in the last several months then you are no longer fully vaccinated and just the same as someone who never accepted any shots right from the start.

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  punkofnice: I wonder why they're so zealous about the experimental, non proven vaccinations?

  The WTS will bend if there is enough pressure, especially government pressure. Didn't they change the blood policy in Bulgaria when the government there threatened sanctions over it? And in CoC, Ray Franz explained how they claimed to be a 'cultural organization' instead of a religious one in Mexico until the early 90s, so that they wouldn't be forced to sell off their properties.

  So, if they feel the government is serious enough about enforcing COVID vaccinations, they will go along. Even Jehovah knows not to cross government regulators!
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  Have you ever been on a congregation picnic?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  were you ever on a congregation picnic?

  i was on several occasions.. the arrangements were often announced from the platform after the closing song and prayer by the last elder up on the platform.. sometimes it was included in the service meeting announcements as "on saturday we're meeting at 10.00am at the kingdom hall for field service, and after field service for anyone who wishes, especially for the younger ones, we will be having a congregation picnic meeting at the beach carpark on seaview road.".

  well, according to the new elders manual you won't be hearing those words again.

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  My experience was similar to TD's, where we would have a few informal Summer picnics on Sundays after the meeting or field service (some years our meetings were on Saturdays) along with a game of softball if enough people showed up ready to play. These weren't set up via messages on the congregation message board (a literal, physical message board-- this was the 80s and 90s!), just word of mouth. As long as you had that one person who worked tirelessly to get things organized, it worked just fine.

  They felt like 'congregation picnics' because it was only JWs attending, with possibly an interested friend/family member or active study brought along to see how much gosh-darned fun it was to be with Jehovah's people (ie, the only people who would not be gruesomely massacred in the soon-to-happen battle of Armageddon)!
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  A Nearly Forgotten Hypothesis about YHWH

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as we know there have been many proposals as to the origins of the god and name yhwh.

  the folk etymology of ex 3 aside, there have been a number of suggested roots, many of which seem to be well argued and not without possibility.

  however, of particular interest to me are those proposals consistent with the fairly well agreed upon south-eastern origins of the cult.

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  I like it... God may be love, but life is a HWY!
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  JW.org missing the point of the last supper

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  of course most christians partake in different ways at different intervals (the bible never says strictly annual) but obviously the main point is christ's flesh and blood.

  for jws the main attraction is the organization's sales pitch and in the new 2023 memorial invitation they pretty much admit it, quote:.

  the main feature of the memorial is a talk.

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  The main feature is a talk where they remind you not to partake if you're one of the unlucky many who won't get to be in Heaven with God.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Current exchange rates:

  2,000 Thai Baht = $58.80 USD
  5,000 = $147.04 ($73.52 per hour)
  7,000 = $205.86 ($51.47)
  9,000 = $264.76 ($26.48)
  12,000 = $353.01 ($14.71)

  That is one hell of a discount curve!
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  Hell, what is it

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.

  and the bible provides confirmation for this.

  at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.​—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.

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  I'm more curious to know how they would have kept such a fire burning continuously. Or perhaps more importantly, why they would. It sounds like a lot of work, and would produce quite a bit of smoke and awful smells. Was it far away from the city? Were the winds always favorable?
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  Does This Case Show The Value of the 2 Witness Rule ?

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. child-abuse

  i read this in the public area of jwtalk, about a canadian case concerning reena virk, over 20 years ago..

  “manjit, her father, got arrested by the police due to reena's accusation of sexual abuse.

  he lost his job, many of his friends and almost his family.

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  It's likely that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, since the accusation was false. On the other hand, the story adds that he struggled with government agencies that had him listed as a sex offender. This can only happen when there is a conviction. So the story seems a bit sketchy, to say the least.

  Trying to use it as a way to support the two-witness rule is ghastly. It's okay for thousands of children to suffer and their tormentors to get away with it, just so we can protect society from the rare child who makes a false accusation that is taken seriously? How many times does that actually happen? Almost none, would be my guess.
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  Can I block someone who messages me.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  i keep getting this person who wants me to email them with information already freely available on this website.. i have told him that i have no intention of emailing a total stranger from my personal email address, but they keep sending me this demand.. from bola to lostinthefog1999.

  can you tell me how to block this persistent messager?.

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  Well, this suddenly became interesting...