Posts by TonusOH

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

TonusOH

Rattigan350: Thus, those going to heaven will serve as God's administrators.

Jehovah, the God of Bureaucracy.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

I think it's being done to shine a light on the problem. And, possibly, to put a strain on the organization. If WTS is working to protect child abuse just to maintain an illogical and silly rule, then the approach may be to make it as costly and painful as possible to continue to do it.

The WTS will fight this with every resource they have, especially time and money. It is likely that this will move extremely slowly through the courts, and it will seem as if no progress is being made. But I think that, even if the WTS prevails in blocking this (and it might), it will be publicized and their resources will be drained. And not just money-- imagine any elder with even half of a conscience, realizing that they're fighting so hard to protect traumatic child abuse. How many will walk away? How many will talk?

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Threats in field service?

by enoughisenough in

in reading about the 54 year old man being shot, i was wondering if any of you were ever shot at, or threatened with a gun.. i was in a car group where a woman came out waving around, telling us to get off her land.

in another situation a man told the car group to turn and leave or he was calling the cops.

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TonusOH

I guess we got lucky, considering how many years we went door-to-door in the South Bronx and the projects in the 70s, 80s and 90s. No guns, no threats of violence. Well, one pair of boys confronted me one time, but they didn't really seem like the type. One of them mugged and postured, and I just kept staring at him, unimpressed. His partner slapped the back of my head and both ran away, giggling. They were young and not intimidating, so I just sighed and went on my way.

Another time, we knocked at a door and waited a minute or so, then left. As we were walking away, the homeowner came out, waving some magazines and complaining that we wouldn't leave him alone. Apparently, some pioneers had worked that block during the previous week, and I guess the extra visit was one knock too many. He didn't do anything aside from yell at us, so we left and decided to work another area that was hopefully not as recently worked by careless pioneers.

Other than that, we had the occasional door slammed in our faces. But I was never in a situation where I felt frightened or intimidated.

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Wedding Anniversary #62

by smiddy3 in

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friends

hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.

take care guys.. smiddy 3.

TonusOH

Happy anniversary to you and your wife, Smiddy!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

LMsA: The problem with taking all of this at face value is the fact that Lloyd is a known liar who will always paint a rosier picture than reality to make himself seem to be the innocent party.

That is what makes me think that his characterization of Goeffrey is extremely misleading and self-serving. Especially when he is telling the story of how he was a raging horndog and this elder was the one who had to deal with it. It's not that Evans realized he looked pretty creepy and pathetic-- his lack of self-awareness is pretty clear by now. It's that he cannot deal with people who do not offer him unconditional agreement and support. He goes full scorched-earth if he believes that someone might become a problem for him.

I have no clue what Geoffrey is like. But I have no doubt that he is protrayed in TRA in the worst possible light.

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things shelved, not looked into because of group think

by enoughisenough in

here are some things i never really believed the jw taught...i just didn't really examine it closely.

i shelved it, so to speak, thinking no one is perfect and they know more than me...if i ever thought about it at all.. i never believed that only jws would be spared at armageddon.

i never believed the where in james, you went to the elders to confess being spiritually sick-always thought that referred to a real illness.

TonusOH

enoughisenough: I never believed that only JWs would be spared at Armageddon.

I think that many of us figured that lots of non-JWs would make it for any number of reasons (not getting preached to, for example). But also, we could justify the belief because we felt like God could do anything and it would be okay. We believed that God could kill anyone at any time without a reason because He had given us life, so He could take it back and that was okay, that we should be grateful that we were able to live at all. And so on.

Thus, the idea that God would massacre billions of people in order to save a few million didn't really sound as horrifying as it should have, because it was okay- God was doing it, and He was incapable of doing anything bad.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

ForeverAlone: It sounds like she does not have any friends at all.

This is standard behavior from abusers. They will do all they can to isolate their victims, to keep them from reaching out to others and getting help. If Evans's wife had stayed in the congregation after he disassociated himself, she would have at least a few hours a week where she was not under his thumb. She could converse with others who could undermine his control, and she might just tell them things that he did not want them to know.

This bodes ill for his current situation, where she does not appear to be under his direct control anymore. So it's a question of whether her situation changes enough that she will be tempted to break away from him. I think that, in time, she will. Either through financial independence or simply having had enough of him, so that she decides she doesn't care about the consequences.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

7. You think being overweight is the only reason girls aren't throwing themselves at your feet.

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Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

"they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

TonusOH

From almost the beginning, the WTS has pushed the idea that the leadership interprets the Bible and this interpretation is what must be studied. To study the Bible without that guidance is to wander about blindly in darkness. Russell himself explained that his Studies in the Scriptures were a better Bible than the Bible itself. Reading SitS without the Bible was effective, but not the other way around.

So, the GB considers itself God's editor.

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

TonusOH

Transfused blood is not absorbed. It is not ingested, and it is not consumed. Substances that are absorbed, ingested, or consumed are typically metabolized by the body and used up, with any byproducts used or discarded as a waste product. Blood transfusions do not trigger this response in the body, as they are used to replace lost volume and the added blood behaves the way blood always does, circulating throughout the body.